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Would u stay as jazz players if you were Kanter or Favors?

franklin said:
I'm so worried about maybe losing these two guys who we don't know what they will be. 2016-2017 & 2017-2018 is just around the corner & I'm scared to death.
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Actually favors is a free agent in 2014, and kanter is a free agent in 2015.

Nice try though
 
The trade deadline is a desert mirage. But worry not, we'll all be pacified in knowing the right deal wasn't out there, that KOC tried and didn't want to make a move just to make a move. I don't see huge contracts being thrown at Al in the off-season. I see us (if we haven't resigned him by that point) swooping in and gett 'a steal' and proclaiming 'having too much talent is a good problem!' Favors and Lanter likely won't see more than 25 mpg next season even if Millsap is gone. They're too inexperienced, you know? Also, if we lose Millsap we will be looking at replacing him with Elton Brand.

I don't see us moving one of them in a sign-and-trade. If we do, however, it's going to be for some middle-of-the-road guy that we have no need for that will scratch heads but then we'll eventually think 'hey, maybe we can use this guy' (see the Harris/Marvin trade for an idea of what we'd target).

Also, someone had it right last week when they wondered how many times Lindsey has suggested something and KOC shoots down with, "That sounds good but here's why it won't work..."
 
I don't think it makes any sense to worry about how Favors and Kanter feel about their minutes. It is what it is. Do they feel entitled to play in front of Millsap and Al? I hope not. It wouldn't make any sense to bench Al and give him 15min/game just to protect the feelings we imagine these players have. As much as I don't like Al's game, and I really really don't like it, he is the better player so he should be starting and getting starter minutes. If Favors and Kanter are too self-absorbed and immature to deal with that fact then I don't see why we should feel obliged to pander to them. But, we don't even really know how they feel about it, so again, it doesn't make sense to react to imaginary feelings we assume they must have.

I'm also glad the Jazz don't make trades just to make trades. You let your team get ripped off a few times because you're desperate and no one will ever think they have to pay retail for your assets. The Jazz are doing it right, no matter how frustrating it is for the uber-fans on this site.
 
Gameface said:
I don't think it makes any sense to worry about how Favors and Kanter feel about their minutes. It is what it is. Do they feel entitled to play in front of Millsap and Al? I hope not. It wouldn't make any sense to bench Al and give him 15min/game just to protect the feelings we imagine these players have. As much as I don't like Al's game, and I really really don't like it, he is the better player so he should be starting and getting starter minutes. If Favors and Kanter are too self-absorbed and immature to deal with that fact then I don't see why we should feel obliged to pander to them. But, we don't even really know how they feel about it, so again, it doesn't make sense to react to imaginary feelings we assume they must have.

I'm also glad the Jazz don't make trades just to make trades. You let your team get ripped off a few times because you're desperate and no one will ever think they have to pay retail for your assets. The Jazz are doing it right, no matter how frustrating it is for the uber-fans on this site.
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So next year when Favors negotiate with Jazz, i hope you think the same way like now
 
illyasova said:
So next year when Favors negotiate with Jazz, i hope you think the same way like now
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I'm saying you have no idea what Favors thinks or how he feels about his minutes. I want favors on the team, for sure, but that doesn't mean the Jazz should do stupid things to make him happy. If the Jazz doing the right thing and making smart decisions sours Favors on the team then that's on him.
 
Gameface said:
I'm saying you have no idea what Favors thinks or how he feels about his minutes. I want favors on the team, for sure, but that doesn't mean the Jazz should do stupid things to make him happy. If the Jazz doing the right thing and making smart decisions sours Favors on the team then that's on him.
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Nobody's saying do something dumb to make him happy. Everyone's saying stop doing dumb things to make veterans happy (see Bell, Howard, Foye, Jefferson and Millsap).
 
infection said:
Nobody's saying do something dumb to make him happy. Everyone's saying stop doing dumb things to make veterans happy (see Bell, Howard, Foye, Jefferson and Millsap).
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But with favors and Kanter we're not talking about clearly inferior players getting time in front of them, we're talking about Al and Millsap, who are "good" players who have demonstrated an ability to play against other starters and put points on the board. We've seen several times this year that Favors and Kanter sometimes struggle to score. That's not just a small issue. They need to prove their ability to score before we could even begin to consider playing them over Millsap or Al.

So that's what I'm talking about. Right now it doesn't make sense to not play Jefferson does it? Do you really feel like you could justify playing Jefferson 10-15min/game, especially if the Jazz aren't scoring in his absence and are losing games?
 
I could justify it. I could if I truly thought this was as good as we'll ever be staying the status quo .. And if there could be a chance that the younger guys can take us farther than this, in the future.

I could justify losing games to be better in the future, rather than win a few more now at the expense of a more later .. Thus perpetuating the mind-numbing mediocrity.
 
Gameface said:
But with favors and Kanter we're not talking about clearly inferior players getting time in front of them, we're talking about Al and Millsap, who are "good" players who have demonstrated an ability to play against other starters and put points on the board. We've seen several times this year that Favors and Kanter sometimes struggle to score. That's not just a small issue. They need to prove their ability to score before we could even begin to consider playing them over Millsap or Al.

So that's what I'm talking about. Right now it doesn't make sense to not play Jefferson does it? Do you really feel like you could justify playing Jefferson 10-15min/game, especially if the Jazz aren't scoring in his absence and are losing games?
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Yeah solid post. Just simply look at Pacers game. Al came up big in the dying min. of reg and OT. He won us that game.
 
PKM said:
I could justify it. I could if I truly thought this was as good as we'll ever be staying the status quo .. And if there could be a chance that the younger guys can take us farther than this, in the future.

I could justify losing games to be better in the future, rather than win a few more now at the expense of a more later .. Thus perpetuating the mind-numbing mediocrity.
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I could see that as a justification to trade Al (or Millsap, or both) and then use the extra time for our young guys, but I can't see not playing a guy who can score as much as Big Al can.

Just to be clear, I hate what the Jazz are right now and I think Al bears the majority of the blame. I just don't think a professional basketball organization sits Al under our current circumstances and I also don't think playing Al makes Favors hate Utah, or at least it shouldn't if Favors is a grown up.
 
I think it's hard to justify benching Al and Millsap in favor of Kanter and Favors. More than that, I think it's easy to justify trading yourself out of the problem, and the candidates are ****ing obvious. Or candidate.
 
I also think it's easy to justify playing the youth when they're playing more effective basketball than the starters (on a situation to situation basis).
 
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