Would you take lillard if...

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Nobody is paying a 100 million dollar 1 year luxury tax bill. Not even Golden State. 100 million isn't pocket change for anybody. That is a quarter of the way to a self-financed arena. That is a big deal, because if you are regularly dropping 100 million on the luxury tax, people aren't going to public finance your next arena.

I bet you Golden State does. That is nothing for how much money they probably make out there. If everyone wants to stay, they will stay and they will max them out.

 

[MDAV28]

Flexibility an be overrated if it just means holding your dick waiting for something to happen (as seen by the Jazz). Olshey got in there and started ****ing.

Look where the Jazz are and look where the Blazers are. Like WTF is this comparison?

Olshey got in there and ****ed up his team you're right.

 

[framer]

I bet you Golden State does. That is nothing for how much money they probably make out there. If everyone wants to stay, they will stay and they will max them out.

Do you know how much money 100 million is? On top of your day to day expenses? Operating income for Golden State was 74.2 million last year, a really, really good year for them. That is pretty top shelf for "how much money they probably make out there."

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Do you know how much money 100 million is? On top of your day to day expenses? Operating income for Golden State was 74.2 million last year, a really, really good year for them. That is pretty top shelf for "how much money they probably make out there."

They make way more than that

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[fishonjazz]

I'd be willing to take on one bad contract as part of a deal for Lillard - it would totally be worth it. That being said, don't sleep on George Hill - somehow he quietly had an amazing series vs the Clippers.

16.9 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 3.7 apg, 48% FG, 39% 3P, and he controlled the tempo like a maestro, all while playing terrific defense on the best point guard in the NBA in Chris Paul.

I think hill had a good series rather than amazing.
Those numbers you posted are good numbers...... not amazing.
Chris Paul had a fantastic series.

 

[jope]

I'd be willing to take on one bad contract as part of a deal for Lillard - it would totally be worth it. That being said, don't sleep on George Hill - somehow he quietly had an amazing series vs the Clippers.

16.9 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 3.7 apg, 48% FG, 39% 3P, and he controlled the tempo like a maestro, all while playing terrific defense on the best point guard in the NBA in Chris Paul.

i agree with all that other stuff, but chris paul had a 9.6 OBPM in the series. that score equates to a 12% increase over his season average and would be the 2nd best offensive output in the league just under russell westbrook's 10.9

maybe there's just no stopping chris paul, but i'm not sure allowing CP3 to be even better than he was during the season would constitute as "terrific" defense. hopefully hill can slow down curry more.

 

[LogGrad98]

I'd be willing to take on one bad contract as part of a deal for Lillard - it would totally be worth it. That being said, don't sleep on George Hill - somehow he quietly had an amazing series vs the Clippers.

16.9 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 3.7 apg, 48% FG, 39% 3P, and he controlled the tempo like a maestro, all while playing terrific defense on the best point guard in the NBA in Chris Paul.

Um, Chris Paul had an epic series.

25.3 pts (career playoff high), 9.9 apg, 5.0 rpg, 1.7 spg, 50% fg, 37% 3pt. The one thing we decidedly did NOT do well was defend Chris Paul, and really our best defender on Paul was Jingles (Exum did ok too, Neto wasn't terrible).

I am not knocking Hill who had a great series, but defending Paul was not part of it. He did ok against Paul, not great, which was why the taller longer dudes spent more time defending him.

 

[LogGrad98]

i agree with all that other stuff, but chris paul had a 9.6 OBPM in the series. that score equates to a 12% increase over his season average and would be the 2nd best offensive output in the league just under russell westbrook's 10.9

maybe there's just no stopping chris paul, but i'm not sure allowing CP3 to be even better than he was during the season would constitute as "terrific" defense. hopefully hill can slow down curry more.

Um, Chris Paul had an epic series.

25.3 pts (career playoff high), 9.9 apg, 5.0 rpg, 1.7 spg, 50% fg, 37% 3pt. The one thing we decidedly did NOT do well was defend Chris Paul, and really our best defender on Paul was Jingles (Exum did ok too, Neto wasn't terrible).

I am not knocking Hill who had a great series, but defending Paul was not part of it. He did ok against Paul, not great, which was why the taller longer dudes spent more time defending him.

Beat me to it. Paul almost single-handedly carried his team to a victory. We were a team on a mission that last game, and Paul picked the final game of the series to finally have a rough game. Maybe he was worn down. If you take out that last game for him every single stat of his goes up. He had to have one bad game in 7, it just happened to actually be game 7 where they needed him most. Unfortunate for the Clips, fan-damn-tastic for us.

 

[Stoked]

Um, Chris Paul had an epic series.

25.3 pts (career playoff high), 9.9 apg, 5.0 rpg, 1.7 spg, 50% fg, 37% 3pt. The one thing we decidedly did NOT do well was defend Chris Paul, and really our best defender on Paul was Jingles (Exum did ok too, Neto wasn't terrible).

I am not knocking Hill who had a great series, but defending Paul was not part of it. He did ok against Paul, not great, which was why the taller longer dudes spent more time defending him.

Except game 7.

 

[LogGrad98]

Beat me to it. Paul almost single-handedly carried his team to a victory. We were a team on a mission that last game, and Paul picked the final game of the series to finally have a rough game. Maybe he was worn down. If you take out that last game for him every single stat of his goes up. He had to have one bad game in 7, it just happened to actually be game 7 where they needed him most. Unfortunate for the Clips, fan-damn-tastic for us.

Except game 7.

Way ahead of ya.

 

[framer]

They make way more than that

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That is what they reported. Do you have access to a set of secret books?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Ingles did not defend Paul better than Hill. Ingles was able to guard him for stretches as a different look, but the Paul figured out Ingles pretty quickly and lit him up for a couple of their wins. You dont defend Paul with 1 player because he plays PNR constantly. It's more on the big and help defense than it is on the initial defender.

 

[LogGrad98]

Except game 7.

If you take out CP3s game 7 his stats were crazy.

27 ppg, 10 apg, 5.2 rpg, 2.0 spg, 53% fg, 43% 3 pt

Game 7 was bad, but not crazy bad except for shooting (13 pts, 4 reb, 9 asst, 32% fg, 14% 3 pt) and he still was easily the best player in the series. Although Gordon was a damn close 2nd in that category.

But it just goes to show that a single player cannot beat a team effort.

 

[LogGrad98]

Ingles did not defend Paul better than Hill. Ingles was able to guard him for stretches as a different look, but the Paul figured out Ingles pretty quickly and lit him up for a couple of their wins. You dont defend Paul with 1 player because he plays PNR constantly. It's more on the big and help defense than it is on the initial defender.

Ingles did more than any single Jazz player to disrupt CP3's vibe.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

That is what they reported. Do you have access to a set of secret books?

yes

 

[jope]

we could afford for CP3 to go off, since he had no one else that would concurrently burn us. It wont be that way with the Warriors, they've gotta make these guys perform worse than their season metrics to have a shot.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Ingles did more than any single Jazz player to disrupt CP3's vibe.

I wouldn't say that. I would say Favors hedging hard on the PNR and Gobert dropping back on the PNR are what did the most to Paul. Ingles got burnt more than any other defender on Paul.

 

[LogGrad98]

If you take out CP3s game 7 his stats were crazy.

27 ppg, 10 apg, 5.2 rpg, 2.0 spg, 53% fg, 43% 3 pt

Game 7 was bad, but not crazy bad except for shooting (13 pts, 4 reb, 9 asst, 32% fg, 14% 3 pt) and he still was easily the best player in the series. Although Gordon was a damn close 2nd in that category.

But it just goes to show that a single player cannot beat a team effort.

Hayward's stats minus the food poison game for comparison.

27.2 ppg, 8.2 rpg, 3.3 apg, 47% fg, 45.7% 3 pt. Damn close.

 

[fishonjazz]

They did what they had to with the pieces they had. This is the best way they could contend. Letting assets go in hopes of being able to sign better ones later is too risky when you aren't free agent spot.

Olshey has shown skill as gm with drafting and trades. They are fine.

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They absolutely had to sign turner to that contact?

 

[jope]

Hayward's stats minus the food poison game for comparison.

27.2 ppg, 8.2 rpg, 3.3 apg, 47% fg, 45.7% 3 pt. Damn close.

box score wise for sure! but his OBPM was only a 3.2 compared to paul's 9.6

His ability to dish 10 assists a game with only 2ish turnovers was super impactful in a low possession, slow paced series.