Would you vote for an atheist for President of the US

[Nate505]

This kid is somewhere between 18 and 35. He doesnt' actually mean anything but this is what impresses the (some string of words) he is forced to settle for. Just ignore him.

You're not doing much to help your case about your age here.

 

[JohnStockalypse]

Oh, so you didn't insult me first???!!!!??! When YOU apologize, I will. I don't know WHY you continue to try to start things with me!!!???!?!?!??!!

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

^

JSL, is that you whining in your avatar?

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

Check that. Pouting.

 

[JohnStockalypse]

JSL, is that you whining in your avatar?

?????????????? Child PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Chad Feldheimer]

Congrats on train wrecking the thread.

 

[JohnStockalypse]

It wasn't that great to begin with.

 

[sirkickyass]

Oh, so you didn't insult me first???!!!!??! When YOU apologize, I will. I don't know WHY you continue to try to start things with me!!!???!?!?!??!!

Is your age an insult? If anything I "insulted" your friends. But don't we all have idiot friends? I mean come on.

I was telling Chad your age because he seemed to be taking you too seriously. As someone who has actually made it past his teen years he would recognize your rhetoric as being what it was, the kind of thing a teenager says: hyperbolic for effect rather than a serious advocacy.

 

[babe]

It wasn't that great to begin with.

It's a poll thread. It's for collecting responses for informative purposes, not for doing a demonstration for yours. Kicky knows what he's talking about for how you can improve your contributions if you wish to do some "serious advocacy".

I sorta get the impression that there are a lot of folks around here who know some things worth thinking about, and if you can get them to respond with worthwhile comments and you think about them some, you'll find this place worthwhile.

I just realized it's actually been quite a while since I knew it all. But life does get better when you start listening sometimes.

 

[moevillini]

and I mean, come on, haven't we all had to settle for someone who's fat and ugly at least once? If only as a favor to our parents or best friend...

:wink:

at any rate, to prove how dumb I can be at times, I thought kicky's "insult" applied to Chad, not JSL. Show's you what I know. And they have the nerve to make me a mod...
honestly, smh

 

[Scat]

and I mean, come on, haven't we all had to settle for someone who's fat and ugly at least once? If only as a favor to our parents or best friend...

Parents or best friend? I found my downfall was beer and in just being a really horny teenager in general.

 

[Qman]

No, because I believe that a belief in the Divine is a very important factor in making important decisions.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

"We have no government armed in power capable of contending in human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other."

1798, Address to the militia of Massachusetts - John Adams

"I have lived, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth -- that God Governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid?"

July 28, 1787, Address at the Constitutional Convention - Benjamin Franklin

"In my opinion, the present constitution is the standard to which we are to cling.... Let an association be formed to be denominated 'The Christian Constitutional Society,' its object to be first: The support of the Christian religion. Second: The support of the United States."

Apr. 16-21, 1802, Letter to James Bayard - Alexander Hamilton

"The great pillars of all government...[are] virtue, morality, and religion. This is the armor, my friend, and this alone, that renders us invincible."


Jan. 8, 1799, Letter to Archibald Blair - Patrick Henry

"Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of Patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of Man and citizens. The mere Politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connections with private and public felicity...

Let it simply be asked where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths, which are the instruments of investigation in Courts of Justice?"

Sep. 19, 1796, "Farewell Address," Philadelphia's American Daily Advisor - George Washington

"[W]hile just government protects all in their religious rights, true religion affords to government its surest support."

Oct. 1789, Letter to the Synod of the
Reformed Dutch Church of North America - George Washington

Just some interesting quotes from our founding fathers.
Some of these individuals supported strongly the separation between church and state, while others felt that religion and government work hand in hand.
Both sides did believe religion and morals were very important to the founding of this country, even if some did not want to have the same problems as England when they had a King that was also tied in directly to a religion.

I find these quotes interesting, and I have my opinion on this, but I wanted to give you all a point of interest to research and form your own opinion.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

Gott ist tot.

 

[sirkickyass]

O/T: For those who believe that Millsapa and babe are the same person (I'm mostly looking at Trout) here's all you need to know: Babe actually pos repped me for my response to him. Millsapa would have gone off the handle.

We may disagree with babe but he does deserve some credit for being honestly open to opposing viewpoints and sharp criticism. You can draw your own conclusions about his partner in crime.

True to form, Millsapa then neg repped me for this post (which actually supports something she's always complaining about: that she's not a duplicate account). She did so with the cryptic comment "One Nation Under God." Of course, that wasn't part of the pledge of allegiance until the 1950's so I'm not certain why it's relevant, unless your point is that the nation was Godless until the 1950s, but that's another story.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

Friedrich felt otherwise.

 

[JohnStockalypse]

Johnstockalypse responded to the "criticism" that he's between 14-16 by, predictably, acting his age. Complete with font size and color changes for emphasis.

Sirkickyass responed to the "criticism" that he dates fat ugly chicks, predictably, exactly the way someone who dates fat ugly chicks would. Complete with pretending he did nothing to instigate it.

 

[sirkickyass]

And he doubles down.

 

[babe]

True to form, Millsapa then neg repped me for this post (which actually supports something she's always complaining about: that she's not a duplicate account). She did so with the cryptic comment "One Nation Under God." Of course, that wasn't part of the pledge of allegiance until the 1950's so I'm not certain why it's relevant, unless your point is that the nation was Godless until the 1950s, but that's another story.

For whoever just wants to understand it all a little better, when I first found "Milsapa" doing her version of Ann Coulter in chat forums I was just charmed with her spunk for saying a lot of things a lot of us would be too busy trying to conform to the fads and trends in popular political thought. I thought it was great to have another point of view. I frankly don't know what my point of view is, really, I just want to be free to have one---or change it when I like.

Kicky, I know you are a serious minded and dedicated person to the things you feel are right but I can also see how sometimes when you're not persuading judges about what they should do you are a bit rough of young folks who enjoy just being free. Still, a few posts back I thought you were getting pretty close to apologizing for making some personal comments, and the whole "partner in crime" phrase really could be improved upon.

Could we please get back to opening this up so some more folks can talk about why they would or would not vote for an "atheist". Just one more bit, really, no matter how devout some believers are it seems to me none of us really know much about God and might look to Him live serious disbelievers anyway. Thats what I like about some atheists, as I read them, they are trying to just be honest with themselves somehow.

 

[JohnStockalypse]

And he doubles down.

Only after YOU did!!!!!

You owe me an apology
You know why. Act like an adult.

It won’t let me send PMs but I told you I would apologize AFTER you apologize to ME.

Dude. My girlfriend reads the boards. She's an innocent third party that you're lashing out at for no reason.

The mature thing to do here is go back and take insults about her down. Prove me wrong about your maturity level.

My FRIENDS were innocent third parties too. You lashed out at THEM AND ME for NO REASON!!!!!!!! The mature thing for you to do would have been not to trash on people who have NEVER EVEN STARTED A CONVERSATION WITH YOU!!! I don’t know who the heck your girl friend is and am actually surprised you managed to get one considering how you’ve treated ME!!! If she’s not fat and ugly I doubt very much she would be insulted by what I said. If she is insulted she can blame YOU for instigating things for, again, NO REASON!!!!!!!