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WOW hornets......3yrs 27million Lance Stephenson! wowowoowowoww so mad right now.

Hotttnickkk said:
And he figured that Rush will be rehabbing most of the time hence he won't be 100% part of the team. Also recent good behaviour has to be taken into account as well.
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shocker said:
Fans I been hearing since 1982 just like you continually say the Jazz won't bring in people with character issues, I am showing the Jazz continually bring in people with character issues.
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Josh Howard, Jamaal Tinsley and Richard Jefferson would all like to thank Utah for giving them 2nd (and sometimes their 3rd or 4th chances) to show they were still NBA-quality players and had overcome questions others had about character issues.
 
Duck Rodgers said:
The key is not to have a whole team of knuckleheads. Good orgs can usually absorb a couple. We've had Kirk Snyder, Robert Whaley, and others that were worse people with far less upside. You could get rid of Lance in a New York minute at 27 mill over 3.
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Not when you are trying to build a sustainable spurs like culture you do not take that type if risk. Raja, mark Jackson, Dsteve, booz, all harmed culture with selfishness. Jazz want Hayward Exum Burke to define a pass first team first culture and goof balls like lance would place this at risk
 
silesian said:
Not when you are trying to build a sustainable spurs like culture you do not take that type if risk. Raja, mark Jackson, Dsteve, booz, all harmed culture with selfishness. Jazz want Hayward Exum Burke to define a pass first team first culture and goof balls like lance would place this at risk
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This.


Yeah you can get rid of Lance in a new york minit but not before he turns Hayward, Exum and Gobert into gangsta's.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
And you know this how???? Were you in the room????



We're all just speculating, but in my opinion Favors said to himself "I love this city, i love this team, I don't want to **** it for all it's worth, $12m (each year) is plenty for me and I'm happy to sign".
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Fan is fanatical.
 
ncoloradojazz said:
Didn't Karl Malone have a lot of character issues? More then Mr. Lance?
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Remember that playoff series when Karl Malone was fist fighting with his team mates in the locker room? Yeah, I don't either. Other than Delonte West can you think of a more locker room poisoning thing to do than that? There are character issues that happen in a player's personal life and there are character issues that show up in the locker room. The first you may take a chance on. The second you just don't touch. . .
 
framer said:
Remember that playoff series when Karl Malone was fist fighting with his team mates in the locker room? Yeah, I don't either. Other than Delonte West can you think of a more locker room poisoning thing to do than that? There are character issues that happen in a player's personal life and there are character issues that show up in the locker room. The first you may take a chance on. The second you just don't touch. . .
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How about character issues that show up on the court? (ala the ear blowing?)
 
We can argue til' we turn blue in the face, but I'd love Lance Stephenson on the Jazz. He's bat**** crazy, but he's warrior on the court who defends, shoots, scores, passes and rebounds. 3 years $27 M compared to 4 years $63 M? No brainer. But yeah, Gail Miller would fire everybody in 5 minutes if they were to ink such a deal.

Booker at $5 M per over Ed Davis at $1 M per - I can't figure that one out - does Davis have darker skin color than Booker? perhaps that's it.
 
bozmansblues said:
Aren't the real and relevant points as follows:

1. Lance and GH were both FA's;
2. Both were fishing for the most money they could get;
3. Another team thought GH was worth the max and offered it to him.
4. The best Lance could get was 9 mill a year.
5. The market has rated Lance a 9 mill a year player and GH a 15 mill a year player;
6. I think we all agree that there is not a 6 mill a year difference in the quality of player between Lance and GH.
7. However, there are obviously other factors at play in the market which have resulted in the above difference. I think it is safe to assume, that the market did not want to touch Lance, not only the jazz, but it must have been most of the nba. Accordingly, most of the nba has rated Lance as a huge risk/cancer and therefore were not willing to pay the money Lance would have received had he not had such characteristics.
8. The conclusion has to be that there was low demand for Lance, and therefore he only got 9 mill a year.
9. For whatever reason, the experts in the NBA had demand for GH and therefore the market put him at 15 mill a year.
10. Lastly, I don't think you can compare these two deals because, based on the above, it is clear that the majority of the nba put huge risk on Lance's character.
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Good post. And it definately says alot about lances value.

As for hayward..... there is a chance that only 2 teams value him at that 15 million number. Could be that most of the league values him alot closer to lances number
 
Carlos "all about me" Boozer

silesian said:
Not when you are trying to build a sustainable spurs like culture you do not take that type if risk. Raja, mark Jackson, Dsteve, booz, all harmed culture with selfishness. Jazz want Hayward Exum Burke to define a pass first team first culture and goof balls like lance would place this at risk
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Received a neg rep from LunaticWolf with the following comment:"Booz averaged a PF-League high assist rate when he was here. How is that selfish?"


A few problems with his "analysis."

First, it is not factual. Carlos never had the best assist rate among power forwards. He was consistently behind the likes of Diaw, Duncan, Lee, Odom, Nowitski and others. His best year was #5. His assist rate was very high and this is a valid measure of selfishness. However, LunaticWolf's analysis is one-dimensional. It presumes that there is one categorical indicator of selfishness and that is assist rate. When Booz talked team it always seemed to me that he was saying what he was supposed to say, with very low sincerity. His exit from Cavs was suspect (all about Carlos, low integrity), he snatched rebound from teammates to stuff stats, sitting out with minor injuries (to protect his career versus the team), etc. What would the odds have been of Stockton or Malone of missing the games Booz missed (I'm not talking about his major injuries)? Zero. I've seen and heard enough to to conclude that it was "always about me" with Carlos.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
How about character issues that show up on the court? (ala the ear blowing?)
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Let's crucify a guy for ear blowing. The very guy mind you that was probably the Pacers best player over the last two months of the season, including the playoffs.

Nickkk, don't take this the wrong way but please, take the rest of the day off and do some soul-searching.
 
QuinSnydersHair said:
Let's crucify a guy for ear blowing. The very guy mind you that was probably the Pacers best player over the last two months of the season, including the playoffs.

Nickkk, don't take this the wrong way but please, take the rest of the day off and do some soul-searching.
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Have you ever been ear blown before?
 
Jamezz said:
1st post! This is gonna be fun hehehe

‘Stockton said he would only play for the Jazz and then would meet with the owner and sign a deal. He made a demand in the summer of 1996 when tens of millions of dollars were flying around for free agent guards. He’d sign a $5 million per season deal, less than half of what other free agent guards were making, but he wanted to guarantee ice time in the Delta Center for his seven-year-old son’s hockey team.’

They just don’t make them like this anymore. Money helps yes, but it doesn’t guarantee happiness. Every year that passes money seems to take more over other values in the NBA. It’s turning into a GM vs. Agents more than anything, more business-like. The Spurs might be the last stance of what could be considered a team with a personality of it’s own due to players sticking around for years. Players taking pay cuts for the sake of their Spurs.

And hey, Hayward is in his right to try and make the most money he can, all I’m saying is that I see him with different eyes than I see Favors for example, always making it clear that he wants to stay. IMO, it’s not just about a player’s talents basketball wise but also about how he fits with the team in terms of team culture, chemistry and how bad you want to stay in a certain place or not. Hayward hasn’t shown me but a will to make as much money as he can and none of the other… That’s my issue with Gordon Hayward.
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Excellent first post. I agree 100%.
 
Jeditiger said:
Yeah but they shouldn't have to. And I really can't stand everyone who is berating a guy for getting paid for his services. Its what helps make Jazz fanz seem petty and clueless.
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So you're saying that a team full of players with Hayward's contractual mindset would be better than a team full of players with Favor's mindset? I completely disagree. Favors showed leadership by putting the Jazz in a position where they had an increased chance to compete. I wish Hayward would have too, but instead he more than negated the advantage Favors had given us.
 
Jeditiger said:
Then why don't they play for the minimum if winning is so important? Why not for free? The owners took the players to the woodshed in the last CBA and now they want players to take even less? Sorry but that's BS.
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The fans are the ones being taken to the woodshed.
 
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