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Yesterday - Bundy Ranch

Pkm i love ya, but what it looks like is some dude was breaking the law.

The government should have sent a few cops over to handle it and instead sent snipers, more men than neccessary etc etc.

So the dude has a bunch of people come out and support him breaking the law and go against the fact that the government overreacted to situation.

You seem to support the militias/bundys because of the simple fact that the government overreacted in thier handling of the lawbreaker.


So if some dude raped a 13 year old girl and instead of a few cops coming to arrest the man, the government sent a swat team with snipers and everthing and then rapists buddies came with thier guns and militias would you support the rapist dude? Of course you wouldnt.

But fact is that if bundy doesnt break the law, then nothing ever happens.


This seems to set an example and standard.

If i dont feel like following a law then i shouldnt have to and i should round up as many people as possible with guns and militias and hope that the law enforcement agencies back off.

Im gonna start breaking into people homes now and if anyone tries to arrest me then i need to organize a similar standoff and hope that the cops/feds just back down and let me continue breaking into peoples homes.


I understand what bundy did is not as bad as the examples i gave but it seems that he believes he can pick and choose what laws to follow and if the law enforces try to enforce the ones he decides not to follow then he just get a bunch of people together and intimidate the cops away
 
Disregard my last post.
I shouldnt have used rape and breaking and entering as my examples


I guess what im trying to say is:

Bundy breaks the law..... a couple of cops show up to enforce that law = Bundy is in the wrong in that scenario.

Bundy breaks the law..... More cops than are neccessary show up to enforce the law = Now bundy is in the right and people should take his side and defend him?

Doesn't add up to me. I think that bundy is in the wrong in both cases.
I could see being upset at the way that the law enforcers handled things, but it seems like bundy is getting a free pass to break the law just because he has lots of people with guns on his side.
 
fishonjazz said:
Disregard my last post.
I shouldnt have used rape and breaking and entering as my examples


I guess what im trying to say is:

Bundy breaks the law..... a couple of cops show up to enforce that law = Bundy is in the wrong in that scenario.

Bundy breaks the law..... More cops than are neccessary show up to enforce the law = Now bundy is in the right and people should take his side and defend him?

Doesn't add up to me. I think that bundy is in the wrong in both cases.
I could see being upset at the way that the law enforcers handled things, but it seems like bundy is getting a free pass to break the law just because he has lots of people with guns on his side.
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I'm just saying it was cool to see.

And harry reid can suck it.
 
PKM said:
You don't know these people. Awfully intellectually elitist of you to assume you do.

I'll say this. WHEN **** goes down, I would rather have these people as friends than those with their 'higher ideals.'
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Being called elitist for taking a stand against thugs training weapons on US soldiers is a badge of honor I'll gladly wear. Theres no way I could ever support anyone putting American soldiers and servicemen in their crosshairs like this.
 
The sheer fact that Alex Jones and his band of worshiping dolts is running with this story should tell you everything you need to know. To top it off, just like any good TV evangelist, Jones passes around the collection plate at the end of the video for his faithful sheep to put their money into. War bonds, dude.

I guess I just don't understand the idea of supporting someone or something, especially when you know that it is wrong or false. Does the end justify the means? I am absolutely with franklin on this one:

franklin said:
Being called elitist for taking a stand against thugs training weapons on US soldiers is a badge of honor I'll gladly wear. Theres no way I could ever support anyone putting American soldiers and servicemen in their crosshairs like this.
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Those agents were doing their jobs. They have dedicated their lives and put their lives on the line every single day so that people like Bundy can live the way they do. The amount of ignorant hypocrisy coming out of this whole situation is staggering. This whole situation infuriates me.
 
To summarize, Bundy refused to pay a fee to graze his cattle, was issued a court order to remove his cattle and then told the federal government to suck it, correct? Seriously, if I am missing something here I really would like to know.
 
JAZZGASM said:
Well, that is a broad question, as public land can be federally owned, state owned, etc. Federal land is owned by the goverment and the people collectively. We entrust our elected officials (who in turn give power to agencies, etc. to make land use decisions...). The govt decides development, use, and environmental/presevation principles over such land. If we dont like what is going on, we need to vote people into place that will better represent our interests.
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Hog wash. Didn't you know that all politicians are scumbags at heart and will eventually cave to SIG's? And don't even bother with the whole "non-voters" thing; in a country where every vote counts, people who don't vote hardly have any impact on anything. For real.

PKM said:
That's where I have the problem. I think it is too often that those in control are persuaded (even innocently) to make decisions based on the good of a few select rather than the interest of the greater good.
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Haha, I swear I posted my thoughts before I read this. $$$$

Funny I'm even saying any of this. I've long been one of the most right-wing, free enterprise, capitalists I've ever known... maybe I'm getting weak as I get older.
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*weaker
 
Scat said:
To summarize, Bundy refused to pay a fee to graze his cattle, was issued a court order to remove his cattle and then told the federal government to suck it, correct? Seriously, if I am missing something here I really would like to know.
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Heaven forbid you take five minutes and read the news, this thread or the other thread. You just relax, we'll do all the work for you, figure out what is right and what is wrong, and then you just blindly follow what we say.

And you claim to be a Republican...
 
PKM said:
They've been silent. Weird. Google Harry Reid Bundy Ranch.... infowars.

@UGLI... lol
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Alright, for funsies I looked it up.

Ummmmm... What am I missing? https://www.infowars.com/breaking-sen-harry-reid-behind-blm-land-grab-of-bundy-ranch/

All I see is that there are plans to build a solar farm on the land that Bundy is illegally grazing his cattle on. They can't proceed with construction and development until the cattle are removed. The illegal cattle. From the federal land. The land that doesn't belong to Bundy.

Again, what am I missing? I did find the video links at the bottom, especially with the senile dumbass calling the information officer a (insert some redneck/ignorant term here), particularly telling. Guys, seriously, Alex Jones.
 
pickledXgrandma said:
"Go back to Washington, go back to China!"

Sounds like some upstanding, educated citizens.
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Well, three or four generations of inbreeding will usually do that. It's amazing that Kicky has turned out as well as he has.


Speaking of Tink, why hasn't that ***-faced lawyer given us his legal two cents?
 
E.J. Wells said:
Heaven forbid you take five minutes and read the news, this thread or the other thread. You just relax, we'll do all the work for you, figure out what is right and what is wrong, and then you just blindly follow what we say.

And you claim to be a Republican...
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Wow... who peed in your cheerios this morning? Chris Paul?

PKM and others have indicated that there is more to the story than what is being reported. As far as I can tell, Bundy is simply having a hissy fit because he feels entitled to graze his animals for free. I am just wondering where this sense of entitlement is coming from?

That said, the government's response seems disproportional for the situation.
 
PKM said:
Yesterday was one of the most incredible things I have ever witnessed. Please let's keep the negative rhetoric to a minimum.. especially for those that haven't actually done something with a purpose in their lives. Tia.

That I know of, there were armed and organized militia from GA, TX, UT, NV, AZ, NH, TN, KY, and FL.
They became well organized as a unit and had a plan.. to the surprise of the federal agents.

As they approached the fed's compound and the confiscated cattle on horseback and most everyone with sidearms, the feds warned to disperse or they would chemical spray. The protesters refused to back down and kept coming fwd, but with hands up (mostly). They lulled the feds to sleep with their passive aggression... the feds kept coming closer as well...

It was then the feds found they had been flanked and their were armed malitia hiding in the k-bars of the overpasses and then the long guns (mostly AR's) emerged from the overpasses above and were trained on the feds.

The feds retreated and the cattle were taken back.

I have incredible footage of all this that has been uploading for 12 hours now (wtf).

I know it isn't over, obviously. But I loved watching Americans stick together and fight for a belief (whether they're right or wrong). These were good people and not a single one came off as some trigger-happy knuckledragging hero looking to make a name for himself.

It was a TENSE time, I will admit, but I never felt like someone was going to lose their cool.
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I am really at a lost of words reading your post. PKM, I could see if Bundy had a legitimate claim to the land and the gov't was taking it. I hate eminent domain but he doesn't own the land and he has been illegally grazing his cattle on it. I heard some woman talking about how this is about freedom, well it sounds more like anarchy to me.
 
PKM said:
Maybe you're right. But I was at least glad to see a united group that had more national pride than I have seen in 30 years.
This country's pride is gone. Everything is "I hate the President, I hate the left, I hate the right, over-spending, get out of Iraq... blah, blah, blah....
I am sincerely glad that I witnessed it, even if the protesters are wrong. I'd rather go out with pride and brothership with fellow Americans than an armchair politician that lacks the intestinal fortitude to question the decision-making of other men ... and spare me the whole non-voters bs.

Google "Harry Reid infowars Bundy" and give me your thoughts, please.
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I think you don't understand the word Pride if you think ignoring a court order has anything to do with pride.
 
All politics aside, I would be very careful if I were them - remember the last group of people that over-matched federal agents. Hint - it happened in Waco, Texas.
 
Done posting on the subject here. You're welcome for sharing the behind the lines stuff. I'm sick of a lot of stuff... not excluding a younger generation of liberal-minded douche bags.

I NEVER ONCE said the Bundy's were in the right... but I do hope this situation makes those in leadership think twice about the decisions they make and how willing some few will hold them accountable.

This isn't an issue of non-voters.. it's an issue of ultimate accountability. AGAIN, whether right or wrong, or voices are meant to be heard. To me, this was an EXTRA loud voice. I never once thought Bundy was in the right, not once. I stated from the beginning that he should have been immediately arrested and his cattle sold for payment.

But I am also sick and ****ing tired of POS politicians either too crooked to deny or too stupid to see they're being puppets for the nations elite.. or worse.

**** you guys, srsly.
 
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E.J. Wells said:
The sheer fact that Alex Jones and his band of worshiping dolts is running with this story should tell you everything you need to know. To top it off, just like any good TV evangelist, Jones passes around the collection plate at the end of the video for his faithful sheep to put their money into. War bonds, dude.

I guess I just don't understand the idea of supporting someone or something, especially when you know that it is wrong or false. Does the end justify the means? I am absolutely with franklin on this one:



Those agents were doing their jobs. They have dedicated their lives and put their lives on the line every single day so that people like Bundy can live the way they do. The amount of ignorant hypocrisy coming out of this whole situation is staggering. This whole situation infuriates me.
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Take a consolation prize: Obama's Fed decided 900 head of cattle weren't worth massacring 900 humans, no matter how backwards and inbred they are.
 
The irony here is I'm the guy doing big business deals with (refrain from name dropping) nations elite.. I, at times, benefit from these inside deals..

Yet, I'm the SOLE person on this board, apparently, that believes **** needs cleaned up. I'm sorry, but most of you guys just haven't done anything big enough in life to counter what your teachers taught you.

The divide of respect between me, alone, and this board has obviously become quite wide.
 
PKM said:
The irony here is I'm the guy doing big business deals with (refrain from name dropping) nations elite.. I, at times, benefit from these inside deals..

Yet, I'm the SOLE person on this board, apparently, that believes **** needs cleaned up.
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Going off of what you're saying here, this makes total sense. Only those involved in said 'deals' actually realize the extent of how badly things need to be 'cleaned up'.

Meanwhile, typical Joe-Shmoe like myself is too busy burying his head in books, trying to spend time with friends and family-- and as long as I get health-care coverage, student loans, and a decent welfare net to support me, it's hard for me to be able to comprehend, or (more importantly) have time to look into how much cleaning up needs to be done in the political and corporate sectors.

It's the sad-truth, but the truth nonetheless-- and I'm sure I'm not the only one whom the above information applies to.
 
Speaking of corporate corruption, Canada actually has a bigger problem with things like white-collar crime than the States do-- in many regards, the business elite of the North can actually work around state-set regulations much easier than their American counterparts.

But again, citizen desires are met at a by-and-large extent-- and therein lies the political apathy that seems to upset you IMO.
 
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