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Yesterday - Bundy Ranch

LazyD said:
I think it's refreshing to know that the people can still deter the government. After all, that's kind of the point of the whole "right to bear arms" thing, it's the ultimate check of the government. Good thing Lincoln is not the president.
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would be oldest president ever.
 
PKM said:
I have mixed feelings about it all. I don't want the Bundy's to be given an inch IF they don't deserve it. I didn't like the way the feds started this thing out, I loved the support the 'little man' got, but as I've said earlier, I want the correct and reaponsible outcome.

I don't want Americans to believe they can assemble with guns and whomever has the most firepower wins.. that's certainly not a sustainable or responsible enterprise (duh). I also don't want elected officials to feel they have power over the people.. rather than to serve the people.

That's the outcome I wanted for this. To have the feds acknowledge they handled it wrong up front and do an internal investigation and provide findings to the people as to what they were thinking/intending. To seek a way to allow both sides to win.. and if such a way isn't reasonably found, to take the land from Bundy (swiftly) with a detailed plan in place as to what is to be done with it. If nothing, fine.. but if there is an intended purpose, be transparent about it.

I mainly hope we learn something, grow from it, and be better for it.
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I disagree completely. I think that it's vital to maintaining a nation of liberty. I don't want the people completely slave to the government, but it is getting closer to that state daily.
 
The intel is quite incredible. I spoke with Clive's sister and his son last night. They told me that they had gotten a call that a certain (unnamed here) guy leading a militia was on his way with his group to show support. The tip they got gave the name and that he's an FBI informant. The plan was to infiltrate and cause dissension among the group and try to show a greater element of craziness at the ranch (it's very mellow and subdued there). The Bundy's got word to the 'group' that they were not welcome at the ranch and that the militia on site would see that they get turned away if they show up.
 
LazyD said:
I disagree completely. I think that it's vital to maintaining a nation of liberty. I don't want the people completely slave to the government, but it is getting closer to that state daily.
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Agree.. what I was implying is getting the 'wrong' thing done because you have more guns.
 
PKM said:
The intel is quite incredible. I spoke with Clive's sister and his son last night. They told me that they had gotten a call that a certain (unnamed here) guy leading a militia was on his way with his group to show support. The tip they got gave the name and that he's an FBI informant. The plan was to infiltrate and cause dissension among the group and try to show a greater element of craziness at the ranch (it's very mellow and subdued there). The Bundy's got word to the 'group' that they were not welcome at the ranch and that the militia on site would see that they get turned away if they show up.
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Seems to be a common tactic of theirs. They do that at G-20 protests, Occupy Wall Street, Union events, etc. Hell, I think the news that race pimp Al Sharpton was outed as a FBI informant a few weeks ago was the least surprising thing I've ever heard. Half the people that cause division between people publicly in this country are probably on the FBI payroll.

And even if they get caught in any scenario......mission accomplished. The Bundys probably are a bit paranoid now at anybody new showing up. Who knows, maybe the "tip" was the whole operation. How are the Bundys supposed to confirm the fact that the guy was really FBI? Maybe it was a militia that the government really felt threatened by so that was how they stopped them from showing up.
 
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HighlandHomie said:
cliffs on this whole scenario? i haven't paid attention to the news in a month.
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- Dude hasn't payed grazing fees in 20 years, feds say that if he doesn't pay, they'll take his cattle.
- Dude still doesn't pay, feds decide to take his cattle.
- Feds come in heavy, snipers, helicopters, etc etc, they were basically idiots.
- Crazy militia people find out, they come over to lend "support".
- We're wasting federal and civilian money on a case that is stupid as hell.
 
Question:

Don't these militia people have jobs? Like...how in the hell are they taking so much time off of work to go do this crap?
 
Hantlers said:
Question:

Don't these militia people have jobs? Like...how in the hell are they taking so much time off of work to go do this crap?
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It could be a number of reasons. Private pensions, self employed, diability or VA benefits, already wealthy, deadbeats, family/friends support while they are away...
 
LazyD said:
I disagree completely. I think that it's vital to maintaining a nation of liberty. I don't want the people completely slave to the government, but it is getting closer to that state daily.
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I feel more free and secure as ever, and see democracy as becoming more deeply engrained into society on a world wide basis. Can someone explain the thinking behind this? It's cliche.
 
franklin said:
I feel more free and secure as ever, and see democracy as becoming more deeply engrained into society on a world wide basis. Can someone explain the thinking behind this? It's cliche.
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It's pretty free from a social aspect, although the whole NSA thing and patriot act stuff isn't that cool for me. Most of my concerns are economically where an industry of rent seeking does nothing but reallocate existing resources. I view freedom as being able to use my money as I please, while the government dictates how a lot of it is spent.

But I'm not going to say my way is more right than anyone else's because as individuals we each have out own ideal state. I would just like mine to be even more free and tons more economically efficient.

I just don't care for a large government, and if one examines the growth of our government over time I'm going to guess that it's nowhere near proportionate to population growth and real GDP

Babe would be the dude to ask about this tbh
 
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