Yesterday - Bundy Ranch
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This case involves the BLM arbitrarily refusing to renew grazing permits.
What is the equivalent event?
Side deals between whom and whom?
And are those side deals illegal in any way?
It kind of sounds like you're just talking but not imparting any information. Which, to be fair, is typical PKM.
Offhand, it appears to me that a mere lay person, not a legal professional, might need a few days to prepare a brief on a case like this. Usually, judges will give real lawyers weeks if not months to prepare their case.
About all I know about LAW is this: If the law is on your side, argue the law. If the facts are on your side, argue the facts. If neither the law nor the facts are on your side, attack your opponent.
It already seems to me that PKM is on to some stuff I don't know about yet. . . . .
In the Hage case, the BLM conducted a roundup of cattle in Nevada with about fifty pairs of boots on the ground. Locals gathered to protest, but the cattle were taken and sold. The case ground through the legal system for now twelve years that I've known about it. . . . The courts determined, as I understand it, that the Hages were due compensation for "taking" of water rights and cattle, which has not been paid yet. It has cost millions to litigate. Few ranchers can afford to put up that kind of money. The govt has, apparently, an unlimited war chest to drive the folks off the land.
Have you, by any chance, read much about Agenda 21 or looked at the map of the United States, as it is planned, with all the "natural" lands projected????
I read you as a person of great capacity for disingenuous professions when you feel you are somehow much better equipped with the right views than most others. . . . As, for example, in your past statements about how the writers of the Constitution don't know as much as enlightened lawers and judges do today. You prefer the view, I'd surmise, that our contract between States which authorized the Federal Government in the first place, is somehow an obsolete agreement because you, and others of like arrogance, just know better how everything should be done.
I find the arrogance of courts who proudly advertise themselves as dishing out "Administrative Law" pretty pathetic. Not content with being mere judges, such institutions have in many areas become in effect legislative institutions as well. Most federal agencies today have such "Adminstrative judges", courts in the pay of the agency, just as they have their own swat teams, troops, armed agents, etc etc etc.
In the simple words of the Constitution, the American people are in any matter exceeding $20 in value, entitled to a jury trial, where the jury is common citizens. . . . and that was with the solid understanding under British Common Law, that a jury could find a law unjust. . . .
In the words of Abraham Lincoln, the issue of the day is whether a nation conceived in liberty can long endure, and the fight is to determine whether government of the people, by the people and for the people will prevail in this nation, or for that matter on this earth.
There have always been sophists living in the conceits of their own minds that they know best for everyone. It's a hard thing to be both smart and humble, both talented and appreciative of the talents of others. . . .
Human rights have been the exception, the rarity, on this planet. There have always been a few people who have acquired great power, and used it to decimate the populations around them. Today it's the folks like Prince Phillip and Maurice Strong who are in every way pushing for reducing world population to a target they themselves say is "One Billion, or less" worldwide human population.
Governments worldwide have been hijacked by these thinkers, these expansive world planners, through numerous movements, agendas if you please. . . . It has been going on through the progressive era.
If they are "right", in terms of their assessments of the problems, they are not "right" in their measures.
The bottom line fact is human population can only increase if technologies and resources are available to sustain it. The fundamental truth about life, about all kinds of life, is that overpopulation is pre=programmed strategy embraced by practically all nature, and it is functional and necessary in all nature that this happens continually. . . . it means there is a fundamental selection process in nature that determines what will live, and what will not. It's function is genetic hardiness. . . . weeding out defects in reproduction. . . .maybe as a hedge against changing conditions, giving diversity a chance to cope with change. . .
We do not need a few totalitarian megalomaniacal "planners" interfering in nature's processes. If anything, they will endanger nature with their mistaken notions. Just like we really don't need the pollution these very persons, under their corporate shells, have generated and dumped on us, either. They created the problem, don't trust them to "fix" anything.
Running ranchers off the Western range is the goal of this set. Western range-fed cattle depress the profits of the big feedlot/packer cartelists, for one "set" of "interests", but the policy in broad terms is all about reducing the "carbon footprint" as well as the population of the Earth. And hey, wink wink, don't be surprised if there aren't some folks "in the know" who have something to gain from it all.
So, as far as I'm concerned, having a lot of eggheads around spouting stuff like how we don't need limits on government power anymore, because. . . hey hey. . . . some of us really know what to do with everything. . .. . is even more evil now than it was when it was just a few political appointees lording it over the colonists.
It's about human life, and human freedom now more than it ever was.
So, anyway. . . .
I was listening to the radio while driving tonight. . . . I forget the name of the program. . . ..
The point was, if you google Al Sharpton, taxes, and cocaine you can find some issues. . . . almost three million in unpaid fed taxes, almost a million unpaid state taxes, some eight hundred thousand unpaid FICA obligations, and about how Al Sharpton was caught/compromised??? in a ten kilo cocaine sting operation. . . . and yet Pres Obama as well as AG Eric Holder came to his little shindig. So if a white rancher owes a million, how come the swat teams didn't come down on good old Al???
I got tired listening to it. It's an old story, old as the ages of human civilization.
There is no real power in this world unless it is exercised in contempt of the people. I call it "The Arrogance of Power". People use such absolute unjustifiable displays of their power to convince the po' people that they have no right to question "authority".
You enrich some, you bankrupt others. . . for no reason at all. . . . so everyone will try to win your "favor".
Obama's administration has hit an unfathomed nadir in this art. Obama sits in his office and rewrites Obamacare, giving his friends breaks and hires thousands of new agents to hunt down anyone not complying. . . .
And you still have a few eggheads, and the national media, ignoring it. Under Bush, it wasn't much better. He had his men picking which banks to bust, and which to fix, with trillions in bailout cash. . . . and now we have fed officials empowered to take over any GSFI, Globally Significant Financial Institution, and restructure it. At depositor expense most of all. . .
You folks think ol' Cliven has been out in the sun too long, got a bit too dehydrated, and is off his good thinking. But the fact is, he's right. Today he's the one being run out of business. Tomorrow, it will be others. It won't stop until you're the loser, too.
If the people will not limit their government, the government will impoverish the people. There is no fundamental limit to what officials binging on power will do, until that power is somehow balanced by the determined will of the people.
I was listening to the radio while driving tonight. . . . I forget the name of the program. . . ..
The point was, if you google Al Sharpton, taxes, and cocaine you can find some issues. . . . almost three million in unpaid fed taxes, almost a million unpaid state taxes, some eight hundred thousand unpaid FICA obligations, and about how Al Sharpton was caught/compromised??? in a ten kilo cocaine sting operation. . . . and yet Pres Obama as well as AG Eric Holder came to his little shindig. So if a white rancher owes a million, how come the swat teams didn't come down on good old Al???
I got tired listening to it. It's an old story, old as the ages of human civilization.
There is no real power in this world unless it is exercised in contempt of the people. I call it "The Arrogance of Power". People use such absolute unjustifiable displays of their power to convince the po' people that they have no right to question "authority".
You enrich some, you bankrupt others. . . for no reason at all. . . . so everyone will try to win your "favor".
Obama's administration has hit an unfathomed nadir in this art. Obama sits in his office and rewrites Obamacare, giving his friends breaks and hires thousands of new agents to hunt down anyone not complying. . . .
And you still have a few eggheads, and the national media, ignoring it. Under Bush, it wasn't much better. He had his men picking which banks to bust, and which to fix, with trillions in bailout cash. . . . and now we have fed officials empowered to take over any GSFI, Globally Significant Financial Institution, and restructure it. At depositor expense most of all. . .
You folks think ol' Cliven has been out in the sun too long, got a bit too dehydrated, and is off his good thinking. But the fact is, he's right. Today he's the one being run out of business. Tomorrow, it will be others. It won't stop until you're the loser, too.
If the people will not limit their government, the government will impoverish the people. There is no fundamental limit to what officials binging on power will do, until that power is somehow balanced by the determined will of the people.
♪alt13
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Honestly this would not surprise me. Water issues are going to become the dominant issue for the lower colorado states in the near future. I wonder how many more years they will try and cling to lake mead and the hoover dam before they realize it is a lost cause. I mean it's simple math you cannot use 100%+ of your yearly allotment of water and expect to have a large reservoir. Lake Mead when full loses 1 million acre feet of water to evaporation. No politician/public employee down there (especially in vegas) wants to tell people the truth.
And we are only 25-50 years behind them in terms of real water supply problems.
No, I am not imparting any additional information at this time. Imo, the side deals are criminal conspiracy.
And your little jab is lame.. the joke around here is "I'll tell you tomorrow.." but I have shared more info with this board before it was news than any other.
Btw, the FBI is frustrated that the Department of Justice has blocked a federal investigation into alleged wrong-doings of Harry Reid and Mike Lee.
In a near unprecedented move, the FBI is going to assist state prosecutors with their imvestigation... as much as they can, which is limited, due to the DOJ disallowing the FBI to have the full toolbox of investigative reach.
Related? Probably not. But I've seen enough in the last two weeks to support a full investigation of Harry Reid.
In a near unprecedented move, the FBI is going to assist state prosecutors with their imvestigation... as much as they can, which is limited, due to the DOJ disallowing the FBI to have the full toolbox of investigative reach.
Related? Probably not. But I've seen enough in the last two weeks to support a full investigation of Harry Reid.
Gordon help you, you couldn't be more wrong.
Ugh. You had me until you linked Alex Jones. Not really, but I was at least a tiny bit interested. Next time, just copy and paste; leave out the tinfoil hat guy. Please?
What did Mike Lee do? I hate that guy with a burning fire that Satan himself is jealous of. Give me another reason to spite him, please?
Nothing major.. but being investigated for doing a short sale of his home to a campaign contributor (leaving the bank short on the note, benefiting the campaign contributor, and then leasing a home from the contributor at a rate that is being implied as looking like a favor).
I was only intending to share the link to the 'actual quotes'... but I understand.
This judge is very conservative and known to legislate from the bench a bit. He purposefully drug his feet on the “none of these candidates” ballot option in order to keep republicans in power, and to assure the 2 party system continues on in Nevada. He's hardly what I'd call a man of the people.
All I was showing was a judge that strongly accused officials of the BLM to be criminally conspiring against this rancher to get his land and water.
Not sure how you can say that Bundy should leave because a judge said so, yet say this judge's ruling is any less valuable.
And if you don't like this judge it's your fault if you didn't vote in NV for an alternative.
Sometime you and I will have to discuss all this stuff I've uncovered while investigating the Bundy situation.
The Thriller
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Mike Lee is an ***.
But he's white, republican, and Mormon so he'll easily be reelected.
But he's white, republican, and Mormon so he'll easily be reelected.
All I was showing was a judge that strongly accused officials of the BLM to be criminally conspiring against this rancher to get his land and water.
Not sure how you can say that Bundy should leave because a judge said so, yet say this judge's ruling is any less valuable.
And if you don't like this judge it's your fault if you didn't vote in NV for an alternative.
It's nothing like that, and I get the critique from that angle. It's a fully valid point.
The only reason I mentioned that was to show that the guy might have an agenda. I have little patience for political agendas, especially from people with authority. I could be wrong about him, but I don't think I am.
Edit to add: I actually intend to read the guy's 150 page thesis.
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Whoa
I could see a racist writing something like:
Barack Obama is an ***.
But he's black, democrat, and Muslim
p) so he got reelected.Good thing I'm not racist and would never write something like that.
I welcome you to call me and I'll explain what I have learned. Political agendas isn't even close to the description I would use to describe what's really going on here.