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You Didn't Build Your Business

Revolution 9 said:
Does he take out his trash, build his own store, create his electricity, pump his own water into his store? We are all connected whether you like it or not. Life isn't about one person taking credit for everything, and doing it on your own. No one does it all on their own. You are protected, and have a place to create a business because of the sacrifices others make for that freedom. We are a communities, states, and together a nation.

The more we lose that sense of togetherness, the farther into a freefall we'll go.
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This.

Then again, I have a hunch that Pearl and his Romney sucking ilk all believe that they in fact built/provide all those products and services mentioned.

In fact, Romney walks on seas, turns water into wine, and will save us all. By the time Romney is done in 4 years, everyone will be millionaires, the country will be at 100 % employment, all illegals will be deported, no gays will be in the military (and all gays cured in society. Mitty will see to that.), all debt will be paid off, Iran will be a Democracy, gas will be $1 dollar a gallon, and all diseases will be cured because the "free market" will have cured everything.

Keep drinking the foxnews kool-aid.

In a way, I kinda hope that Romney wins in November. Perhaps after 4 more miserable years and failed policies we'll finally bury the GOP and the crazy *** evangelical right where they belong, 6 feet deep. The GOP is dead. Has been for a long time. Maybe finally after a third Bush term of failed economic policies, out of control defense spending, deregulation, horrible health care, and handouts to the rich (at the expense of JoeSixpack), the GOP will finally hit the reset button and start working for America once again.

The GOP needs less Romney/Ryan/Palin/Boehner/other right wing radicals and more Rubio/Hunstman.
 
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I do have a togetherness feeling. I have a fantastic respect for everyone on every level from top to bottom and most times have much more respect for the guy pounding nails than the executive. I've actually seen much more disdain from the lower/middle toward the upper than vice versa. Am I wrong? (serious question)
 
Scat said:
Salma Hayek... yum!!

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Did she write something??
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I too find Salma beautiful.

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But if you're going Spanish speaking, I think the most beautiful one is Penelope... She's the most gorgeous Spanish/Port speaker I've ever seen. IMO, she beats the great Adriana Lima...

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PKM said:
I do have a togetherness feeling. I have a fantastic respect for everyone on every level from top to bottom and most times have much more respect for the guy pounding nails than the executive. I've actually seen much more disdain from the lower/middle toward the upper than vice versa. Am I wrong? (serious question)
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You've seen more distain from the lower towards towards the upper class? Is this just at your place or work, or do you feel this is the norm?
 
Revolution 9 said:
You've seen more distain from the lower towards towards the upper class? Is this just at your place or work, or do you feel this is the norm?
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I feel it's the norm. Most wealthy people I know (maybe they're not the norm?) truly have a heart to create opportunities so more people have jobs (money is the main motivation, but they are generally interested in the good it does as well) and they can help better people's lives. I know I have ALWAYS felt that way.

I see these same folks that are creating opportunities being resented for having more. No, I am not crying about it .. I just find it interesting that some see it the opposite when I am being genuine in my paradigm being as stated.
 
Revolution 9 said:
Does he take out his trash, build his own store, create his electricity, pump his own water into his store? We are all connected whether you like it or not. Life isn't about one person taking credit for everything, and doing it on your own. No one does it all on their own. You are protected, and have a place to create a business because of the sacrifices others make for that freedom. We are a communities, states, and together a nation.

The more we lose that sense of togetherness, the farther into a freefall we'll go.
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I believe the mantra "I built the business myself" means to most business owners that they bore the entire risk of starting and maintaining the business and the associated stress that goes with it, not the literal interpretation you offer here. You can talk about the sense of community and other various touchy, feel good, were all connected BS, but employees, vendors, lenders and suppliers want to get paid and customers want value. If anybody in that chain isn't satisfied, unless you are too big to fail or GM and Chrysler, your local mayor or congressman isn't showing up on the scene to help you out and your closing the doors and going home to tell the wife and kids you are giant failure. If you are in doubt, go check the failure business rate of new start ups.

If you want community, go live with the Amish or join a church. You can replace Mildred on the corner's roof for free or raise a barn and cut all the lumber with a hand saw. There are also communes still in existence in various parts Cali. Good luck with that.
 
The Pearl said:
I believe the mantra "I built the business myself" means to most business owners that they bore the entire risk of starting and maintaining the business and the associated stress that goes with it, not the literal interpretation you offer here. You can talk about the sense of community and other various touchy, feel good, were all connected BS, but employees, vendors, lenders and suppliers want to get paid and customers want value. If anybody in that chain isn't satisfied, unless you are too big to fail or GM and Chrysler, your local mayor or congressman isn't showing up on the scene to help you out and your closing the doors and going home to tell the wife and kids you are giant failure. If you are in doubt, go check the failure business rate of new start ups.

If you want community, go live with the Amish or join a church. You can replace Mildred on the corner's roof for free or raise a barn and cut all the lumber with a hand saw. There are also communes still in existence in various parts Cali. Good luck with that.
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Solid counter-point.

There's no right or wrong answer here, but the exchange is solid.
 
PKM said:
I feel it's the norm. Most wealthy people I know (maybe they're not the norm?) truly have a heart to create opportunities so more people have jobs (money is the main motivation, but they are generally interested in the good it does as well) and they can help better people's lives. I know I have ALWAYS felt that way.

I see these same folks that are creating opportunities being resented for having more. No, I am not crying about it .. I just find it interesting that some see it the opposite when I am being genuine in my paradigm being as stated.
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Is your circle small business owners, or bigger coporate types? Just because you step back and say a few nice words about your
employees from top to bottom doesn't mean you get them, or truly understand what they do for you.
 
Revolution 9 said:
Is your circle small business owners, or bigger coporate types? Just because you step back and say a few nice words about your
employees from top to bottom doesn't mean you get them, or truly understand what they do for you.
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I can say that I definitely understand, but I'm not saying all do. I worked my way up from the bottom and did it all .. knowing what it all entails.

I guess there's good and bad at the top and bottom. Simple as that. I know I took people on that needed jobs, were fairly underqualified, but I wanted to help them. I trained them, made them qualified .. and in the end they resented me .. for what I have no idea.

To clarify, I'm not talking about the asses in the ivory towers that pull down a gazillion dollars in huge public companies .. I'm talking about self-made business owners.
 
The Pearl said:
I believe the mantra "I built the business myself" means to most business owners that they bore the entire risk of starting and maintaining the business and the associated stress that goes with it, not the literal interpretation you offer here. You can talk about the sense of community and other various touchy, feel good, were all connected BS, but employees, vendors, lenders and suppliers want to get paid and customers want value. If anybody in that chain isn't satisfied, unless you are too big to fail or GM and Chrysler, your local mayor or congressman isn't showing up on the scene to help you out and your closing the doors and going home to tell the wife and kids you are giant failure. If you are in doubt, go check the failure business rate of new start ups.

If you want community, go live with the Amish or join a church. You can replace Mildred on the corner's roof for free or raise a barn and cut all the lumber with a hand saw. There are also communes still in existence in various parts Cali. Good luck with that.
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You see the difference between you and me is I don't seperate what I preach in church in Sunday, to how I act on Monday.
It maybe some phony idealism in your book but I truly believe it.
 
PKM said:
I can say that I definitely understand, but I'm not saying all do. I worked my way up from the bottom and did it all .. knowing what it all entails.

I guess there's good and bad at the top and bottom. Simple as that. I know I took people on that needed jobs, were fairly underqualified, but I wanted to help them. I trained them, made them qualified .. and in the end they resented me .. for what I have no idea.

To clarify, I'm not talking about the asses in the ivory towers that pull down a gazillion dollars in huge public companies .. I'm talking about self-made business owners.
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I have a family of self made business owners. None of them went to college, and a lot of them are successful.
We have a big family like many of you. The most well to do of them all is a liberal, and believes in that philosophy.
I truly respect their path in life, and their financial success. I have different goals that most of them. I'd say that most of
them have changed a lot, for the negative, after they made money. The way they treat people is disgusting in some cases.
They use racial slurs, and have openly stated that their money makes them better people. I know this might not be the norm, but
again it's my personal experience.

I think the bigger problem we have is not a personal thing though. The smaller the business the better that person knows his employees.
Is deregulation killing small business, and on a deeper level our culture?
 
PKM said:
I know I took people on that needed jobs, were fairly underqualified, but I wanted to help them. I trained them, made them qualified .. and in the end they resented me .. for what I have no idea..
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I have some theories !
 
northeast said:
I have some theories !
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well, not knowing PKM in real like let's assume that he was genuine here. Those people blew it, and didn't repect the opportunity given to them.
On the other side, I'm sure there are lots of people out there that would have done a great job for you, and respectful afterwards.
 
Revolution 9 said:
well, not knowing PKM in real like let's assume that he was genuine here. Those people blew it, and didn't repect the opportunity given to them.
On the other side, I'm sure there are lots of people out there that would have done a great job for you, and respectful afterwards.
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Yes. The overriding majority have been great relationships. The few that resented me were those I got to be closest friends with, they came to my home often, we hung out, etc. Kind of weird, but I guess they felt they should also have my home, my car, etc .. dunno.
 
PKM said:
Yes. The overriding majority have been great relationships. The few that resented me were those I got to be closest friends with, they came to my home often, we hung out, etc. Kind of weird, but I guess they felt they should also have my home, my car, etc .. dunno.
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This is why we can never be friends. I'll be damned if you're getting my '99 F150 or my '01 Prius.
 
TroutBum said:
Care to quote me on the whole "hates the military" thing? That's a pretty bold statement. I imagine you'll just ignore this post and move on to something else you can be wrong about, as usual.
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You're so predictably annoying/wrong/obnoxious/Jewish it's scary. Thanks for not letting me down, Sloppster.
 
"You didn't build it"
Romney has made practically the same speeches as Obama.
Republicans should be calling out Obama for copying Romney's speeches, it would be more honest.
 
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