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You're the GM this offseason. What do you do?

With the supermax, does it have to be an extension the off-season before free agency or can you offer that deal during a player's free agency?
 
NUMBERICA said:
With the supermax, does it have to be an extension the off-season before free agency or can you offer that deal during a player's free agency?
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Can be when they hit free agency.
 
stitches said:
He probably will be harder to get.
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That's probably true. I'd also definitely rather have Conley than CP3 at this stage in both of their careers and considering CP3 is 2 and a half years older and has an additional year on his contract.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Hey just a note;

With capholds and all of that ****, we don't have a max slot without waiving and stretching Korver, even after waiving and renouncing everyone else that we can.

Exum is very much in the way of building a championship roster and I really hope Lindsey has learned something about falling in love with your own guys.

I should deactivate my account. This is all such a waste of ****ing time.
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Don't do it... we have to stick together.

We can get to max space if we waive Neto… but yeah that contract ain't helping.

Unfortunately I don't think it will matter.
 
NUMBERICA said:
2021 is the next big off-season. Maybe I'll start a thread about it. But that's probably what I make moves with a focus on if the Jazz can't get a serious player this off-season.
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Isn't that when Rudy's supermax and Donovan's max contracts will kick in? If so we won't have cap space to sign anyone else.
 
If tobias returns to Philly I think they end up moving him at some point. If we miss out in free agency we should stack good valuable contracts with the space and hope Kemba, Tobias become available in trade... assuming both return to their current teams.

I'm talking guys like Danny Green, Pat Beverly, Rudy Gay, Trevor Ariza types on 1+1 deals... maybe make one long term commitment if the value is there. Those are the types of parts that may have value. I just don't see Favs as super valuable in a trade on a 1 year $18M deal.
 
That’s a hard no on CP. I predict serious injuries coming at him at this point in his career, he’s lost a step regardless, and that contract is one of the worst in the league - well... after Hayward’s of course.

I see the CP situation similar to Love’s. Both past their prime, they don’t fit the DM/Rudy timeline, and their contracts would handcuff the team for years.

Here’s hoping for CP and Carmelo and JR Smith and Tristan Thompson to join LBJ and see the Lakers truly crumble.

Here’s a thought... if the Rockets go for a rebuild, and KD heads out east... does the Jazz need to do much? Along with internal player development, one player may be all we need - Kemba/Conley/Harris - I think anyone of these guys puts us in the conversation for the Western Conference Finals.

Oh and goodbye Rockets...
 
NUMBERICA said:
Hey just a note;

With capholds and all of that ****, we don't have a max slot without waiving and stretching Korver, even after waiving and renouncing everyone else that we can.

Exum is very much in the way of building a championship roster and I really hope Lindsey has learned something about falling in love with your own guys.

I should deactivate my account. This is all such a waste of ****ing time.
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So you've given up on Exum?
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
If tobias returns to Philly I think they end up moving him at some point. If we miss out in free agency we should stack good valuable contracts with the space and hope Kemba, Tobias become available in trade... assuming both return to their current teams.

I'm talking guys like Danny Green, Pat Beverly, Rudy Gay, Trevor Ariza types on 1+1 deals... maybe make one long term commitment if the value is there. Those are the types of parts that may have value. I just don't see Favs as super valuable in a trade on a 1 year $18M deal.
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Like Rudy Gay on a 2 year 14-15M deal (I really like him... think he provides a lot of what we want in Tobias)
Pat Bev on a 2 year 8-10M deal (maybe 1-2M guarantee on year 2... might have to be fully guaranteed to get him)
Seth Curry on a 2 year 5-6M deal - second year non-guaranteed (maybe not Seth... might be someone else... kinda redundant with what I think Allen can be)
Use room exception on a center.
Get Caruso somehow.

Come trade deadline you have very useable flexible contracts that provide some value in a trade. All guys that fit on almost any team. I know... super unsexy, but that team is pretty good imo.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Like Rudy Gay on a 2 year 14-15M deal (I really like him... think he provides a lot of what we want in Tobias)
Pat Bev on a 2 year 8-10M deal (maybe 1-2M guarantee on year 2... might have to be fully guaranteed to get him)
Seth Curry on a 2 year 5-6M deal - second year non-guaranteed (maybe not Seth... might be someone else... kinda redundant with what I think Allen can be)
Use room exception on a center.
Get Caruso somehow.

Come trade deadline you have very useable flexible contracts that provide some value in a trade. All guys that fit on almost any team. I know... super unsexy, but that team is pretty good imo.
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Or you sign Rudy and take on a player like Tony Snell with some of your space while getting DJ Wilson and whoever the Bucks take at #30 this year. Or take on a little money to get a pick, but the player can't be totally dead money. The idea is to have flexibility and some additional assets in the treasure trove when some of these guys get moved.
 
Jingled said:
Isn't that when Rudy's supermax and Donovan's max contracts will kick in? If so we won't have cap space to sign anyone else.
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Only if they're already extended. The Spurs got Aldridge in Kawhi's RFA year because they waited to ink the deal.

If the Jazz time and structure it right, they could have a ******** of capspace (Exum and Ingles both come off, and I think Ingles will sign a cheap deal) and it's a good free agency crop. And heaven forbid it comes to this, but Gobert comes off that year as well.
 
I think if we had a better use for the capspace that Exum could be moved into Atlanta's cap space. They have a lot of it and I'm not sure they will have good uses for it. By all accounts we aren't looking to trade him... but since I am the GM in this thread it is something I'd look to do.
 
https://www.theringer.com/nba/2019/...gency-kawhi-leonard-kevin-durant-conversation

I wonder whether more players might try to follow Kawhi’s and Masai’s lead going forward. The less you make it an emotional negotiation, the more favorable the outcome is in your favor. Maybe Anthony Davis should have Uncle Dennis handle his New Orleans exit strategy. As Kawhi’s shown, what’s the worst that can happen? You get booed? Some guy calls you disloyal on TV? If the Raptors had lost in the second round to the Sixers, wouldn’t his value be just as high this summer? He’s also going to have a profound impact on the way teams will be built. If I’m a GM of a Toronto-level team—Utah, Portland, insert a secondary market that’s not a typical free-agency destination—I am making my version of the Godfather offer to David Griffin for Anthony Davis. This is the power of the one-year rental. It can work.
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I'm not a huge fan of that reasoning but... oh well... what say you Jazz Nation?

Gobert + our pick + Royce... for AD? Yay or nay?
 
infection said:
I'm willing to throw anything on the table for AD but Gobert or Mitchell.
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We don't have the assets to do it without throwing Gobert or Mitchell. Just assume that this trade is the one that does it. You can substitute Allen for Royce if it makes more sense to you but Gobert and the pick need to be there. In essence I'm doing the skeleton of the Kawhi trade - high end non-superstar player + late 1st + young player. Would you do it?
 
stitches said:
We don't have the assets to do it without throwing Gobert or Mitchell. Just assume that this trade is the one that does it. You can substitute Allen for Royce if it makes more sense to you but Gobert and the pick need to be there. In essence I'm doing the skeleton of the Kawhi trade - high end non-superstar player + late 1st + young player. Would you do it?
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If AD gets a new agency maybe... if not then hard pass. I think Rudy is better than Demar by a wide margin. The beauty of the Leonard trade was they gave up a meh prospect, a late first in a weak draft, and a guy in DeRozan that was a little over-rated and had a big contract. They got a top 3 player in his prime and a high level roll player. They risked almost nothing. Rudy is too much risk.

I don't think the Toronto thing becomes a "model", but teams should be more willing to push in if the opportunity presents itself and they are close.
 
stitches said:
We don't have the assets to do it without throwing Gobert or Mitchell. Just assume that this trade is the one that does it. You can substitute Allen for Royce if it makes more sense to you but Gobert and the pick need to be there. In essence I'm doing the skeleton of the Kawhi trade - high end non-superstar player + late 1st + young player. Would you do it?
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If the Jazz were serious about something like this, here's the order to do it in:

- Guarantee Favors and all the other unguaranteed guys
- Use your $14 Million in remaining cap space to sign a starting PF
- Trade Favors and Korver and a pick to Memphis for Mike Conley
- Trade Gobert+Royce+pick to New Orleans for AD

But to answer your question, I would absolutely trade Gobert for AD.
 
Jingled said:
But the 2021 offseason is when both Rudy and Donovan's contracts expire.
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Precisely. But Donovan would be restricted and his cap number would be a fraction of his next proper deal. You could lose/move on from Rudy, but that's why it's a big off-season.

Another wrinkle is if at some point the Jazz get Conley, the last year of his deal is 2021 (if he opted in).
 
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