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You're the GM this offseason. What do you do?

fishonjazz said:
Also the jazz shot as poorly as possible in that series. Way below their averages.

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Yes we did, but we did it for 5 games. Its not like we choked a game 7 due to poor shooting so we think adding a Conley for Rubio, Favors AND draft pick is the difference.

We have gotten flat out beaten by Houston and GS in 3 straight elimination playoff series. I don't think we were one Jazz realistic acquisition away from winning this series on those teams much less subtracting guys then adding one guy.

My opinion is that we need our picks, we need free agents and we need development. We can't get too excited when our path isn't that quick unless we sign a max guy this summer.

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Handlogten's Heros said:
Get Conley... put Dante in the deal... sign Niko or Rudy Gay to be the stretch 4... win titles!

We can make a free agent addition and get Conley... just gotta ship out Dante.
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I kinda like your plan. And I think that is what the Jazz are aiming for.

Gobert/serviceable backup for cheap (maybe just keep Udoh)
Mirotic/Crowder
Ingles/Korver
Mitchell/O'Neale
Conley/Neto
 
SCS said:
I kinda like your plan. And I think that is what the Jazz are aiming for.

Gobert/serviceable backup for cheap (maybe just keep Udoh)
Mirotic/Crowder
Ingles/Korver
Mitchell/O'Neale
Conley/Neto
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That's a good rotation especially if Exum can get and stay healthy and not suck (big if).

Not championship level but maybe wcf level and you never know what happens at that point. Maybe the jazz get hot for a series or the opponent goes cold or gets key injuries.


I would be very happy if that was our rotation next year.

Would still rather get Tobias, Malcom, Russell, etc in free agency but I would be good with the loss of favors and Rubio and addition of Conley and Niko. I think we would be a better team next season. Hell, just replacing Rubio with about anyone makes us better imo

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fishonjazz said:
That's a good rotation especially if Exum can get and stay healthy and not suck (big if).

Not championship level but maybe wcf level and you never know what happens at that point. Maybe the jazz get hot for a series or the opponent goes cold or gets key injuries.


I would be very happy if that was our rotation next year.

Would still rather get Tobias, Malcom, Russell, etc in free agency but I would be good with the loss of favors and Rubio and addition of Conley and Niko. I think we would be a better team next season. Hell, just replacing Rubio with about anyone makes us better imo

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Conley and Mirotic would be damn good gets for this team. With GS limping into next assuming (assuming they keep Klay and KD at all), the West might be wide open.
 
fishonjazz said:
That's a good rotation especially if Exum can get and stay healthy and not suck (big if).

Not championship level but maybe wcf level and you never know what happens at that point. Maybe the jazz get hot for a series or the opponent goes cold or gets key injuries.


I would be very happy if that was our rotation next year.

Would still rather get Tobias, Malcom, Russell, etc in free agency but I would be good with the loss of favors and Rubio and addition of Conley and Niko. I think we would be a better team next season. Hell, just replacing Rubio with about anyone makes us better imo

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If we want to win sooner rather than later I think Conley is the best option. Apart from being an excellent player, he brings a ton of experience and veteran leadership. We were lacking some of that in close games this season, where the default seemed to be panic mode. He should be a steadying influence, as well as a good guy for Donovan to learn from.
 
Udidthizz said:
If we want to win sooner rather than later I think Conley is the best option. Apart from being an excellent player, he brings a ton of experience and veteran leadership. We were lacking some of that in close games this season, where the default seemed to be panic mode. He should be a steadying influence, as well as a good guy for Donovan to learn from.
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Conley makes us better. Conley by himself at the cost of Rubio, Favors and a draft pick makes us only marginally better IF he stays healthy. Getting Conley would have to be part of some larger scheme for it to be worth it.

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LoPo said:
Conley makes us better. Conley by himself at the cost of Rubio, Favors and a draft pick makes us only marginally better IF he stays healthy. Getting Conley would have to be part of some larger scheme for it to be worth it.

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Bruh any major move costs Favs and Ricky... adding dlo and losing those guys might make us worse but I never hear that in your assessment of him.

If we get Conley we will also make some other smaller moves. He’s a damn good player and of Harris, Dlo, etc. he is the guy that is most likely to be a championship piece in the next two years... he addresses exactly what we need... he’s not 22... but he doesn’t make us marginally better if healthy... he makes us a ****ing giant if he’s healthy.
 
LoPo said:
Draft Carsen to hopefully be a VanVleet type

Sign Tobias

Hope and pray Exum can stay healthy and progress

That team has a great chance of contending

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FVV is a not a good comp for Edwards. He’s a defensive guy that’s tough as nails that became a decent shooter.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
FVV is a not a good comp for Edwards. He’s a defensive guy that’s tough as nails that became a decent shooter.
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I like how some of you guys do zero to account for progression. Carsen might become a better defender. 3 years ago (when he was older than Carsen), VanVleet was a nobody. Carsen has the size, build and ability to become a scrappy defender like FVV. And he has already shown potential of being a shooter.

No comp is perfect. Carsen could eventually play a similar role to what VanVleet played this year.

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Handlogten's Heros said:
Bruh any major move costs Favs and Ricky... adding dlo and losing those guys might make us worse but I never hear that in your assessment of him.

If we get Conley we will also make some other smaller moves. He’s a damn good player and of Harris, Dlo, etc. he is the guy that is most likely to be a championship piece in the next two years... he addresses exactly what we need... he’s not 22... but he doesn’t make us marginally better if healthy... he makes us a ****ing giant if he’s healthy.
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DLo is one move of many with a long term goal of continuing to build. Conley is a move for right now when we don't have a roster for winning right now.

Conley
Mitchell
Ingles
Crowder
Gobert
O'Neale
Bradley
Niang

Most everybody is saying trade Exum and maybe Korver as part of the Conley deal. That roster doesn't have it. Add those two and it's still not enough to beat a handful of teams.

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LoPo said:
I like how some of you guys do zero to account for progression. Carsen might become a better defender. 3 years ago (when he was older than Carsen), VanVleet was a nobody. Carsen has the size, build and ability to become a scrappy defender like FVV. And he has already shown potential of being a shooter.

No comp is perfect. Carsen could eventually play a similar role to what VanVleet played this year.

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They aren’t the same... hell Carsen might be better... I just think it’s prisoner of the moment stuff to say look at this short guy... he could be like this other short guy I’m watching right now.
 
LoPo said:
DLo is one move of many with a long term goal of continuing to build. Conley is a move for right now when we don't have a roster for winning right now.

Conley
Mitchell
Ingles
Crowder
Gobert
O'Neale
Bradley
Niang

Most everybody is saying trade Exum and maybe Korver as part of the Conley deal. That roster doesn't have it. Add those two and it's still not enough to beat a handful of teams.

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Okay but once you use the 10-13M you clear and the BAE the roster looks like...

Conley
DM
Ingles
Niko/Gay/Parker/Portis (1 of these guys)
Rudy

Crowder
Royce
Grayson
Ed Davis
Neto
Niang
Bradley


Look I get it... it’s not a super team but right now there is no super team... need to strike now while there is a window... 5-7 year builds don’t work. You get the major pieces in place and go for it.

Harris might be option 1 but Conley is option 2... if option 2 is available now you do it and focus in on filling in the rest of the roster.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
They aren’t the same... hell Carsen might be better... I just think it’s prisoner of the moment stuff to say look at this short guy... he could be like this other short guy I’m watching right now.
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I'm talking role, not clone. VanVleet brings heart, scrappiness, and clutch shooting. Did you watch Purdue in the tourney? Carsen seems to be that kind of guy. Not exactly VavVleet, but that role.

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LoPo said:
I'm talking role, not clone. VanVleet brings heart, scrappiness, and clutch shooting. Did you watch Purdue in the tourney? Carsen seems to be that kind of guy. Not exactly VavVleet, but that role.

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I did... trey Burke had a nice tourney run too. I’m not going to confuse heart for a guy getting hot. FVV is a dawg... undrafted and just an effing dawg... not saying Carsen isn’t good... just not going to compare guys to FVV because he’s so unique. Edwards can be a scorer off the bench type... I will gladly trade that for Conley.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I did... trey Burke had a nice tourney run too. I’m not going to confuse heart for a guy getting hot. FVV is a dawg... undrafted and just an effing dawg... not saying Carsen isn’t good... just not going to compare guys to FVV because he’s so unique. Edwards can be a scorer off the bench type... I will gladly trade that for Conley.
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We can just wait on see on Carsen. We can both have differing opinions until then.

VanVleet is who he is. He plays his role for Toronto and has a ring because of it. We desperately need a guy who can score buckets like he just did. Doesn't even have to be a starter. Is that Grayson? Maybe, but I'm not sold yet. Could it be Carsen?

Conley seems to be the answer for everything and I hate putting all my eggs into one basket. If he fails, gets hurt, pulls a George Hill, whatever, we stand to lose everything. Draft picks, Rudy, maybe Donovan.

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LoPo said:
Yes we did, but we did it for 5 games. Its not like we choked a game 7 due to poor shooting so we think adding a Conley for Rubio, Favors AND draft pick is the difference.

We have gotten flat out beaten by Houston and GS in 3 straight elimination playoff series. I don't think we were one Jazz realistic acquisition away from winning this series on those teams much less subtracting guys then adding one guy.

My opinion is that we need our picks, we need free agents and we need development. We can't get too excited when our path isn't that quick unless we sign a max guy this summer.

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Yes but we missed wide open shots for 5 games. Its not like its something they did. We just went on a cold streak at the wrong time. I think we win that series if we shoot decent. We were close to beating them. A little improvement and better fitting players makes a huge difference. Rubio did not have a good series against Houston. I would not call 20% from 3 mostly on wide open shots good. Houston dared him to shoot and he chocked hard. They basically didnt guard him for the series.

By far our biggest weakness is having a non shooting PG. It kills us. We should have played a lot of Mitchell, Royce, Ingles, Favors, and Gobert against Houston. Favors was by far our best player in that series and we should have given him more minutes.
 
LoPo said:
Conley seems to be the answer for everything and I hate putting all my eggs into one basket. If he fails, gets hurt, pulls a George Hill, whatever, we stand to lose everything. Draft picks, Rudy, maybe Donovan.

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Conley could cost us everything huh? A little dramatic there... how is it any different than acquiring any max free agent? Other than the draft pick compensation we put in the deal?

What if Tobias tears his Achilles in his first game? Then we have his max number in the books for four years with no ability to pivot... might have to trade picks to move that deal... might cost us everything.


What if Dlo and his inefficiency and bromance with DM drive Rudy out of town... what if he isn’t that good and we have him on a 4 year 100M contract? The sky is falling.... the horror.


Bro none of these moves come without risk... none of them make DM an unrestricted free agent in 2 years... he will be under team control... winning is what will make Rudy want to stay... not making a move and missing in free agency while preserving all our picks would be the best way to watch Rudy leave... then you can go on DM watch.
 
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