You're the GM this offseason. What do you do?

[NUMBERICA]

Doesn't have to be.

If you're trying to build a contender, yeah, it kinda does.

The whole point is to dump your resources into high-end talent that can play together. The only scenario Favors fits into that is a completely unrealistic one: he signs for the MLE or less to play strictly as a backup.

 

[Deleted member 95]

What does that mean; "He's meant too much to them."? He was good when the Jazz weren't, was injured when the Jazz were good, then got healthy enough to play 23 MPG, virtually never close games, and still not fit as a 4 (virtually unplayable there against the best teams).

LET. ****ING. GO.

It's probably how they are going to angle it when we get nothing. Instead of failing we retained Favors.

 

[silesian]

Roco is really ****ing good. They aren't trading him for a table scrap and a late first.

His trade value is equal to one year of jimmy butler minus Saric and change. Or do I’ve heard.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

According to the flimsiest data, or ancient basketball philosophy?

I mean he helps us... he doesn’t 18M help us... if there was no cap then please keep him... but since we needs that space and a solid backup can be had for like 20% of that number I’d say it means too much for us to keep him.

If the plan was to keep him long term the time to do that was last year. His contract was supposed to be a trade asset or turn into space to address other needs... it has yet to be an asset but maybe this is the year.

 

[Miggs]

Let’s put this another way.

We’ll be paying about 40M next year at the center position, very possibly the least important position in the league.

Brilliant.

And oh yeah, neither of those centers can shoot and we had another 23M tied up in two point guards (okay, Exum’s a 2, whatever) who can’t shoot. So that was about 63M tied up in four players who can’t shoot to save their lives in a league where shooting is thee most important skill a team should be looking for.

Genius.

 

[NUMBERICA]

And oh yeah, neither of those centers can shoot and we had another 23M tied up in two point guards (okay, Exum’s a 2, whatever) who can’t shoot. So that was about 63M tied up in four players who can’t shoot to save their lives in a league where shooting is thee most important skill a team should be looking for.

Genius.

Thank you.

 

[Jingled]

Let’s put this another way.

We’ll be paying about 40M next year at the center position, very possibly the least important position in the league.

Brilliant.

This is a really good point. It'll end up being about $43 million.

 

[LoPo]

If you're trying to build a contender, yeah, it kinda does.

The whole point is to dump your resources into high-end talent that can play together. The only scenario Favors fits into that is a completely unrealistic one: he signs for the MLE or less to play strictly as a backup.

I said "doesn't have to be" on the point that if you lose a great starter that you lose. I disagree with that. Portland lost Nurkic but have Kanter. GS lost KD but have other great players.

It's the NBA - you have to be prepared for a injury. If we let Favors go to pick up a $15 million wing and then Gobert gets hurt, we're really, really hurting.

 

[infection]

It's probably how they are going to angle it when we get nothing. Instead of failing we retained Favors.

“The way we see this, is that Derrick Favors is our 2019 free agent addition. When you dig into the stats, you see how important he is to our team, when you look at [name a state that Favors is elite regarding] and [insert another meaningless stat] and [ignore than he doesn’t close games].”

If we bring back Favors, we’re ****ed this year, next year, and essentially we’ve hit our peak. We’re ****ed.

 

[Jingled]

If the plan was to keep him long term the time to do that was last year. His contract was supposed to be a trade asset or turn into space to address other needs... it has yet to be an asset but maybe this is the year.

I think this was the plan when we re-signed him but he had such a good season that it seems the front office has changed their minds and they now want to keep him.

 

[LoPo]

Let’s put this another way.

We’ll be paying about 40M next year at the center position, very possibly the least important position in the league.

Brilliant.

We're also spending $4.1 million on SG with Donovan making $2.5 and Royce making $1.6. So at C and SG combined if Favors was making $13 million, we're spending about what Chris Paul makes.

We shouldn't let Favors go just to grab some mediocre wing or PF addition.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I said "doesn't have to be" on the point that if you lose a great starter that you lose. I disagree with that. Portland lost Nurkic but have Kanter. GS lost KD but have other great players.

It's the NBA - you have to be prepared for a injury. If we let Favors go to pick up a $15 million wing and then Gobert gets hurt, we're really, really hurting.

Do you remember when Gobert went down a year and a half ago, Favors went on a tear, and the Jazz still got their asses kicked?

Also, if we're comparing Gobert to Nurkic, we're really in trouble. Furthermore, the Blazers lucked into replacing Nurkic with a comparable player for basically free. Also, we don't have the greatest roster ever assembled, and keeping Favors doesn't move us an inch closer to that; given the opportunity cost, he likely (continues to) move us farther away.

All of the caveats you've stated for Favors returning are fine, except I still don't view paying a backup $12 million a year as a good deal.

 

[NUMBERICA]

We're also spending $4.1 million on SG with Donovan making $2.5 and Royce making $1.6. So at C and SG combined if Favors was making $13 million, we're spending about what Chris Paul makes.

We shouldn't let Favors go just to grab some mediocre wing or PF addition.

Yeah, we should become contenders by paying Wes Matthews or Vince Carter $10 million, right?

 

[idestroyedthetoilet]

The more this offseason gets discussed the weaker this failed build looks.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I think this was the plan when we re-signed him but he had such a good season that it seems the front office has changed their minds and they now want to keep him.

I think they talking up they backup plan or trying to increase his value... he’s still an asset... Charlotte for instance might give an asset to swap him for Biyombo... we route Biyombo and asset to another team... I’ve talked about it as a way to get more value to Memphis... if they prefer the money saving then we could use that instead.

If I thought it was plausible to get him on a good team friendly multi year deal I’d be okay bringing him back if other plans failed... too much has to happen for that to work so I think that ship sailed.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

The more this offseason gets discussed the weaker this failed build looks.

Depends on how you define failure... I think there is finish work... issue is much of it needs to happen this offseason and FA could turn out poorly.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

If we can’t make a big splash in free agency, IMO It’s more productive to keep Favors then drop him and sign just anyone. He’s a much better asset this year then any other year he’s been here. We could get real value for him from a team looking to dump salary. Sure backup C is not a big deal, but Favors is a starter calaber C in a backup role. I’d rather keep him than using our available cap space on a bunch of none stars when we can get a good scorer using him in trade or letting him expire and try again next year. Keep in mind he was one of the main reasons we won that one playoff game. I think people forget how good he really is.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Tobias has a somewhat interesting quote... said he hasn’t though much about FA... culture, fit , and the opportunity to win will be the biggest factors.

Take it with a grain of salt... most guys don’t say money will be the determining factor.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

If we can’t make a big splash in free agency, IMO It’s more productive to keep Favors then drop him and sign just anyone. He’s a much better asset this year then any other year he’s been here. We could get real value for him from a team looking to dump salary. Sure backup C is not a big deal, but Favors is a starter calaber C in a backup role. I’d rather keep him than using our available cap space on a bunch of none stars when we can get a good scorer using him in trade or letting him expire and try again next year. Keep in mind he was one of the main reasons we won that one playoff game. I think people forget how good he really is.

Dude you serious right now? We’ve had him on an expiring deal for two years and netted nothing... it was no secret he was on the block for a couple years too... last year he would have had the most value because a team could control his guarantee. He had less value now and is one knee tweak from having zero value...

Favs is great... great team player... does not fit and is really overpriced for how we’d ise him. Just moving on and finding a long term backup at a fair price would be better.

 

[LoPo]

For all those guys against keeping Favors at around $12 -

if we don't get a major free agent, who are you spending the money on?

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