Zach Lowe tells Utah (and a couple other teams) what to do in free agency

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Lmfao-- it's because he's expected to ramp up his minutes. We aren't on the verge of dumping him



Probably cuz they believed in playing Draymond at the 4 by the end of the season.

So the Warriors were on the verge of dumping Draymond Green and he wasn't a core piece when he was getting 22 mpg?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I think we are in on Harris... not saying we will get him. Steve Kyler tweeted (and he knows Tobias very well) that they have talked with several teams that asked not to be disclosed (sounds like a Jazz thing to me). Boston is likely the frontrunner. Why wouldn't the Jazz want their name out there with these free agents? Because we have to cut ties with Booker to sign one... if it doesn't work out you don't want Book to hear all about how you tried to get this other guy but couldn't get it done.

We likely make only minor moves, but that doesn't mean we aren't in on bigger ones.

Yes, my thoughts exactly. Jazz won't make their motives known unless they feel like they have a good shot at closing the deal.

 

[NAOS]

I think we are in on Harris... not saying we will get him. Steve Kyler tweeted (and he knows Tobias very well) that they have talked with several teams that asked not to be disclosed (sounds like a Jazz thing to me). Boston is likely the frontrunner. Why wouldn't the Jazz want their name out there with these free agents? Because we have to cut ties with Booker to sign one... if it doesn't work out you don't want Book to hear all about how you tried to get this other guy but couldn't get it done.

We likely make only minor moves, but that doesn't mean we aren't in on bigger ones.

heresy.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I've been a Jazz fan long enough to know that there are never rumors until something happens. When they go after someone or try to make a trade they do it quietly. It's few and far between but when it happens there is never any warning.

I can understand that logic on the trade market, where you're talking about changing players lives without their consent. But free agency? Seriously, what's the downside (unless it means it requires a trade to facilitate)? You may be right that the Jazz are sending out overtures using guys wearing trenchcoats and sunglasses at night handing out envelopes, or using Darth Vader voice changers and calling from pay-phones, but I think they're resigned to their fate. They've had max cap room for five offseasons, and not a ****ing peep.

 

[Deleted member 848]

So the Warriors were on the verge of dumping Draymond Green and he wasn't a core piece when he was getting 22 mpg?

definitely not what i'm saying but cute straw man anyways.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

definitely not what i'm saying but cute straw man anyways.

Mother****er you are the one entering into the argument and commenting on it. Try knowing the basis of what we are talking about if you are interjecting.

We are simply arguing whether or not David Lee and Draymond Green were "core pieces" at simultaneous points during the Warriors history.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

the whole point to the GSW is they added Iggy to a developing core without a clear fit... Barnes was an up and comer and moved to the bench. A year and a half later they moved Iggy to the bench and got a lucky injury to Lee and found out they are a better small ball team (likely would have figured it out either way, but the injury expedited the process). Last year Barnes was upset about coming off the bench (so it may have disrupted chemistry).

This year the pieces came together and they would likely not have won the championship without Iggy. They could have stood pat, but instead used assets (first round picks to clear space), and also sent away Carl Landry and Jarret Jack... guys who were key role players... to acquire what eventually came to be the finals MVP. Just add talent when possible... if we can talk them into signing we can figure the rest out.

 

[NAOS]

the whole point to the GSW is they added Iggy to a developing core without a clear fit... Barnes was an up and comer and moved to the bench. A year and a half later they moved Iggy to the bench and got a lucky injury to Lee and found out they are a better small ball team (likely would have figured it out either way, but the injury expedited the process). Last year Barnes was upset about coming off the bench (so it may have disrupted chemistry).

This year the pieces came together and they would likely not have won the championship without Iggy. They could have stood pat, but instead used assets (first round picks to clear space), and also sent away Carl Landry and Jarret Jack... guys who were key role players... to acquire what eventually came to be the finals MVP. Just add talent when possible... if we can talk them into signing we can figure the rest out.

more heresy.

where are the bakkers at?? Silence this nutjob, pls

 

[NUMBERICA]

What constitutes "core piece" is something I am weirdly militant about. I define it as a player that is untouchable in trades except for players that are unanimously appraised superstars. I don't think Green fit that criteria two seasons ago, and David Lee sure as **** didn't meet that criteria even mid-season last year, but sure, there probably was some overlap for about a month when the Warriors weren't totally sure where the 4-spot was headed early in the season.

And now I'm done with this tangent.

 

[Deleted member 848]

Mother****er you are the one entering into the argument and commenting on it. Try knowing the basis of what we are talking about if you are interjecting.

We are simply arguing whether or not David Lee and Draymond Green were "core pieces" at simultaneous points during the Warriors history.

If minutes constitutes the only measure of whether a player is a core-piece of a team or not, then was Richard Jefferson a core piece for this Jazz team at any point in his career?

 

[Deleted member 848]

JHo averaged >20mpg for the Jazz that one year. Core piece?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

If minutes constitutes the only measure of whether a player is a core-piece of a team or not, then was Richard Jefferson a core piece for this Jazz team at any point in his career?

Richard Jefferson wasn't on a rookie contract with birds rights.

 

[Deleted member 848]

What constitutes "core piece" is something I am weirdly militant about. I define it as a player that is untouchable in trades except for players that are unanimously appraised superstars. I don't think Green fit that criteria two seasons ago, and David Lee sure as **** didn't meet that criteria even mid-season last year, but sure, there probably was some overlap for about a month when the Warriors weren't totally sure where the 4-spot was headed early in the season.

And now I'm done with this tangent.

To me it's simply a player that has a huge impact on the success on a team, to the extent that the team has a strong interest in keeping him over the next couple years at the least. Our core pieces right now are Exum, Burks, Hood, Hayward, Favors, and Gobert IMO.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

JHo averaged >20mpg for the Jazz that one year. Definite core piece of the Jazz that year.

Again, he was an over the hill FA signing. Did I ever say minutes was the only factor? Age and contract also contribute. You expect drafted players who get minutes early on in their careers to be core pieces moving forward.


Trey Burke, even though he sucks and is probably our worst rotational player, is still a core piece.

 

[Stoked]

I think we are in on Harris... not saying we will get him. Steve Kyler tweeted (and he knows Tobias very well) that they have talked with several teams that asked not to be disclosed (sounds like a Jazz thing to me). Boston is likely the frontrunner. Why wouldn't the Jazz want their name out there with these free agents? Because we have to cut ties with Booker to sign one... if it doesn't work out you don't want Book to hear all about how you tried to get this other guy but couldn't get it done.

We likely make only minor moves, but that doesn't mean we aren't in on bigger ones.

Not necesarily true. Jazz can put up an offer of around 12 mill witout sacrificing Booker. Then if they cut Millsap, Johnson, Cooley and Cotton...

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I can understand that logic on the trade market, where you're talking about changing players lives without their consent. But free agency? Seriously, what's the downside (unless it means it requires a trade to facilitate)? You may be right that the Jazz are sending out overtures using guys wearing trenchcoats and sunglasses at night handing out envelopes, or using Darth Vader voice changers and calling from pay-phones, but I think they're resigned to their fate. They've had max cap room for five offseasons, and not a ****ing peep.

I gave you the downside guy... they have to release Booker. I don't think we are being super secret with trenchcoats and ****, but if you tell teams, agents, and media to keep it on the down low they will do it or lose trust.

 

[Deleted member 848]

Richard Jefferson wasn't on a rookie contract with birds rights.

core piece? Cuz Lee clearly was last season according to you. Was he on a rookie contract?

 

[Stoked]

If minutes constitutes the only measure of whether a player is a core-piece of a team or not, then was Richard Jefferson a core piece for this Jazz team at any point in his career?

Corbin would say yes.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Not necesarily true. Jazz can put up an offer of around 12 mill witout sacrificing Booker. Then if they cut Millsap, Johnson, Cooley and Cotton...

None of the big guys are coming here for 12 M or less. Tobias likely gets 14+... DMC got 15... Wes wants 15. Danny went for less but its clearly a hometown discount and you have to factor no state tax as part of that.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

core piece? Cuz Lee clearly was last season according to you. Was he on a rookie contract?

No, Lee was just on a near max deal signed for multiple years. Kind of weird to think that is a core piece when they are getting 33 mpg.