Please enlighten us as to who didn't have to beat the best teams to win a championship.
jazz need to be 4th or 5th to avoid lakers
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Sneakers
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You want me to go through every year every sport and pick it out for you? It should just be an easy fact to understand. #1 seeds don't make the finals in any sport every year, year in and year out. Teams with matchup issues sometimes get lucky and manage to avoid their achilles heal.
Yes, this is true, but the Im not looking to watch another loss to the lakers....are you?
m3at
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of course not. but I would rather watch us get beat by the best than by lessor talent.
Meh. At this point I feel like every team that makes it to the playoffs is better than the Jazz...
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fairweather
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Anything less than the WCF is just another average year. Playing basketball should not be like rolling dice!
The Thriller
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Which is exactly why we're not a championship team.
Jazz fans know this. That's why we want to avoid anyone of quality in the playoffs.
The Thriller
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Seed matchings don't necessarily indicate who the best teams are.
Sneakers
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The fact of the matter is that there *are* upsets. It happens. Therefore, the next team in whatever bracket faces an inferior team. I'm not talking about close, toss-up "4 vs 5 seed" games. I'm talking when the better team loses for whatever reasons. Is anyone really gonna say it doesn't happen? How is this even debatable?
The Thriller
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You're an idiot.
I'm not sure what's more unbelievable. Me responding to your asinine post? Or you trying to make a case for the Jazz being a championship team?
This Jazz team isn't a championship team. Not even close. The last 5 years are proof of it. And certainly this year is proving how desperately changes are needed.
Sneakers
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Woooaaaah there buddy. This is out of left field. You clearly just jumped in last post and have no idea what I'm talking about or why I'm saying it. Incredible.
The Thriller
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I really don't care.
Jazz aren't a championship team. Whether we avoid the Lakers isn't applicable as long as this roster remains the same. Talk about all your cute matchups and upsets all you want. We cannot beat the top 4 teams and 2 top EC teams in a 7 game series. And that's a wrap folks.
Sneakers
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In order for the Lakers to be an Achilles heal;
1) The Lakers would have to be minuscule. A detail often overlooked. A team like the Timberwolves would be something like that, or the Warriors to the Mavs in '07.
2) The Jazz would have to be Achilles (feared and revered the world over).
Ergo:
3) The Lakers are the only team that the Jazz need to be worried about in the playoffs.
lol x 3.
The Thriller
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The fact that you're arguing this just shows how unbelievable desperate you are. Yes, an upset happens every once in a while. a 4 seed vs a 5 seed. Got that. That matchup is a crapshoot.
But the point of this pathetic thread is to avoid the Lakers so we can keep advancing to the championship. Which is pathetic, I'll explain to you in elementary terms:
A. We should want to play the toughest teams. I remember in 96-98, I wanted the Lakers, Rockets, Sonics, Pacers, and Bulls. Jazz fans were confident that we could beat them. Especially in the 2nd finals. We wanted revenge. We didn't jackpot around with... "well maybe the lakers can tank or we can go 82-0 so we can avoid playing the lakers." Bullship. Kick their asses. I sure as hell don't want to avoid the Lakers. I want to spank Kobe. I want to beat LA. I hate LA. I want to shove the championship trophy up Phil's arrogant youknowwhat. I want to shut Jack up. Tear down staples. Destroy their dynasty.
But only if we have a chance. We don't. Not as our roster and coach is presently constituted.
Championship teams don't look for the easy way out like this pathetic thread is suggesting.
B. This team sucks. They'll be lucky to get a 6 seed.
C. I think most Jazz fans would be satisfied if they saw management making an effort to improve and win the championship. Instead, it's the status quo. As long as we're mediocre and people are buying tickets, it's all good baby.
D. Jazz fans like max-a-million seem to feel slighted if fellow fans destroy them in arguments over this topic. We've been a playoff team for 30 years now. Bring me a championship or lets tank. Roll the dice. Trading away Farve was a risk. But it paid off. They could have kept him. They would have made the playoffs the past few years too probably. Yet they wouldn't have won the big one. Their defense needed a game changer (like Clay Matthews). Trading a hall of famer for a draft pick was risky. Trading yoru franchise QB for an unproven was crazy. Yet it worked.
Likewise, trading AK or Booz a few years back would have been considered nuts. Today, what move is waiting that could easily pay dividends in 1-2 more years? Millsap? CJ? Heck, even Deron?
Screw the avoiding the Lakers crap. Lets get after them.
Screw the... Well maybe upsets can happen... Screw that. Lets draft sign, and hire the coach that will get us the #1 seed.
Screw the... Well, maybe we can make the playoffs and anything can happen nonsense.
Lets get into the playoffs with the best roster, best coach, and best team with the only goal being to win the big one.
But the point of this pathetic thread is to avoid the Lakers so we can keep advancing to the championship. Which is pathetic, I'll explain to you in elementary terms:
A. We should want to play the toughest teams. I remember in 96-98, I wanted the Lakers, Rockets, Sonics, Pacers, and Bulls. Jazz fans were confident that we could beat them. Especially in the 2nd finals. We wanted revenge. We didn't jackpot around with... "well maybe the lakers can tank or we can go 82-0 so we can avoid playing the lakers." Bullship. Kick their asses. I sure as hell don't want to avoid the Lakers. I want to spank Kobe. I want to beat LA. I hate LA. I want to shove the championship trophy up Phil's arrogant youknowwhat. I want to shut Jack up. Tear down staples. Destroy their dynasty.
But only if we have a chance. We don't. Not as our roster and coach is presently constituted.
Championship teams don't look for the easy way out like this pathetic thread is suggesting.
B. This team sucks. They'll be lucky to get a 6 seed.
C. I think most Jazz fans would be satisfied if they saw management making an effort to improve and win the championship. Instead, it's the status quo. As long as we're mediocre and people are buying tickets, it's all good baby.
D. Jazz fans like max-a-million seem to feel slighted if fellow fans destroy them in arguments over this topic. We've been a playoff team for 30 years now. Bring me a championship or lets tank. Roll the dice. Trading away Farve was a risk. But it paid off. They could have kept him. They would have made the playoffs the past few years too probably. Yet they wouldn't have won the big one. Their defense needed a game changer (like Clay Matthews). Trading a hall of famer for a draft pick was risky. Trading yoru franchise QB for an unproven was crazy. Yet it worked.
Likewise, trading AK or Booz a few years back would have been considered nuts. Today, what move is waiting that could easily pay dividends in 1-2 more years? Millsap? CJ? Heck, even Deron?
Screw the avoiding the Lakers crap. Lets get after them.
Screw the... Well maybe upsets can happen... Screw that. Lets draft sign, and hire the coach that will get us the #1 seed.
Screw the... Well, maybe we can make the playoffs and anything can happen nonsense.
Lets get into the playoffs with the best roster, best coach, and best team with the only goal being to win the big one.
Sneakers
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Clearly either you're not going to even attempt to realize why I am mocking you so or just plain lack in reading comprehension, so I will just spell it out so you don't need to spend 20 minutes typing up a pointless response. I never said the Jazz were contenders. In fact I wasn't talking about the Jazz in any respect whatsoever. In my entire discussion about seeds and championships, I referred to this Jazz team exactly zero times. Do I think the Jazz are a contender? Hell no. I would have clarified this to you earlier except you were just such an ******* quoting that first post of mine I thought it'd be funny to see how far you would take it. Did you have a bad day at the construction site today or something?
No, really trying to make a point. Another one is that "the best" can be singular or plural, since the playoffs are more than one matchup, I think plural is more applicable. So maybe I wasn't clear enough.
Although I side more with what The Thriller is arguing, I also think you're being more reasonable.
Without further adieu, continue tearing each other new buttholes.