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Bawse Dawg said:
Overthinking it.

If the Utes win out chances are very high that enough happened to get them in. There's five conferences, and a one loss champ in the second best one will get the nod. Unless LSU, Clemson, TCU/Baylor, Mich St./OSU all run the table, a one loss Pac-12 champ gets in. And everything in history says that those teams won't all win out.
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Let's not act like the Pac-12 is the 2nd best this year.
 
fishonjazz said:
Is the pac12 really the second best conference? I see stanford at #9, Utah at #13, and UCLA at #22
I see Baylor at #2, TCU at #5, Oklahoma state at #12, and Oklahoma at #14.

Looks like most voters in the country probably think the big 12 is better than the pac12
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Because it is. The Pac-12 isn't good this year. It's a lot of mid-level teams and a couple of good teams. Nothing elite or top 8 worthy in that conference.
 
I still say as an overall gauntlet the Pac-12 is second hardest to get through behind the SEC. But it's not set in stone, not really the point. They obviously aren't the worst P5 conference.
 
fishonjazz said:
Is the pac12 really the second best conference? I see stanford at #9, Utah at #13, and UCLA at #22
I see Baylor at #2, TCU at #5, Oklahoma state at #12, and Oklahoma at #14.

Looks like most voters in the country probably think the big 12 is better than the pac12
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None of those teams in the Big 12 have played each other yet (pretty amazing to say that this late in the year). So if you are going by rankings, the Big 12 won't have that many highly ranked teams once they start beating each other. (This isn't opinion, but fact. When they play, someone has to lose)

Perception matters more than anything, and the perception is that the Pac 12 is the 2nd best conference in the nation. If you want to talk about facts vs perception, let's talk about how weak the SEC is and has been the last couple years compared to the perception of them.
 
UGLI baby said:
None of those teams in the Big 12 have played each other yet (pretty amazing to say that this late in the year). So if you are going by rankings, the Big 12 won't have that many highly ranked teams once they start beating each other. (This isn't opinion, but fact. When they play, someone has to lose)

Perception matters more than anything, and the perception is that the Pac 12 is the 2nd best conference in the nation. If you want to talk about facts vs perception, let's talk about how weak the SEC is and has been the last couple years compared to the perception of them.
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But I always hear people talk about perception when taking sec. Now you are using it to bolster the pac 12.

Stanford has not played utah yet right? Utah has not played ucla yet right?
So not everyone in the pac has played everyone either.


But that is all beside the point. My point was that the VOTERS (not me, not bias ute fans or pac12 fans, or bias sec fans, etc) have the big12 looking better than the pac12.
Now all that might change as the season goes on..... Also might not.

I'm just saying that if you consider the pac12 to be the 2nd best conference then you are either living in the past, living in the future, or are simply seeing things with a pac12 bias.

Currently the big 12 has to be on top of the pac12 simply by looking at records and rankings.
 
Bawse Dawg said:
I still say as an overall gauntlet the Pac-12 is second hardest to get through behind the SEC. But it's not set in stone, not really the point. They obviously aren't the worst P5 conference.
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Fair enough..... But again, you are thinking of past years and you also have a little (not much, you are pretty damn honest and fair) bit of bias.
 
And hey, I don't know which conference is better out of the pac12 and big 12 or even the sec for that matter.

It's college football. All the college teams from each conference don't play all the teams from the other conferences. There really is no way to know for sure. It's part of what sucks about college football.

Just like everyone said the utes in 04 and 08 were not good enough to beat the big dogs, and then in 08 they destroyed Alabama. Same with Boise a couple of those years.

Allot of opinions in college football have no way to get validated on the field.


I think that the top of the big 12 is better than the pac, but the bottom and middle is worse.... But again, there is know way to know if either of those things are true
 
fishonjazz said:
But I always hear people talk about perception when taking sec. Now you are using it to bolster the pac 12.

Stanford has not played utah yet right? Utah has not played ucla yet right?
So not everyone in the pac has played everyone either.


But that is all beside the point. My point was that the VOTERS (not me, not bias ute fans or pac12 fans, or bias sec fans, etc) have the big12 looking better than the pac12.
Now all that might change as the season goes on..... Also might not.

I'm just saying that if you consider the pac12 to be the 2nd best conference then you are either living in the past, living in the future, or are simply seeing things with a pac12 bias.

Currently the big 12 has to be on top of the pac12 simply by looking at records and rankings.
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It's a nod to undefeated teams that can't stay undefeated. It's impossible for the Big 12 to finish with this many teams ranked this high.

Will they rank a one loss team with fewer wins against bowl eligible teams and no wins against currently ranked teams above a team with those things on their resume? No of course not. That's why Oklahoma is ranked lower than Utah and Stanford. Hell Oklahoma State is undefeated and ranked lower than Utah and Stanford. Going forward as Big 12 teams play each other they are going to drop hard.
 
fishonjazz said:
But I always hear people talk about perception when taking sec. Now you are using it to bolster the pac 12.

Stanford has not played utah yet right? Utah has not played ucla yet right?
So not everyone in the pac has played everyone either.


But that is all beside the point. My point was that the VOTERS (not me, not bias ute fans or pac12 fans, or bias sec fans, etc) have the big12 looking better than the pac12.
Now all that might change as the season goes on..... Also might not.

I'm just saying that if you consider the pac12 to be the 2nd best conference then you are either living in the past, living in the future, or are simply seeing things with a pac12 bias.

Currently the big 12 has to be on top of the pac12 simply by looking at records and rankings.
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An undefeated team in the Big 12 is currently ranked behind two 1 loss Pac 12 teams. A team from the Big 12 with a 16 game win streak is ranked 8th in the CFP poll.

That tells you everything you need to know about the perception of the Big 12
 
fishonjazz said:
And hey, I don't know which conference is better out of the pac12 and big 12 or even the sec for that matter.

It's college football. All the college teams from each conference don't play all the teams from the other conferences. There really is no way to know for sure. It's part of what sucks about college football.

Just like everyone said the utes in 04 and 08 were not good enough to beat the big dogs, and then in 08 they destroyed Alabama. Same with Boise a couple of those years.

Allot of opinions in college football have no way to get validated on the field.


I think that the top of the big 12 is better than the pac, but the bottom and middle is worse.... But again, there is know way to know if either of those things are true
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I agree that Baylor and TCU are probly better than anyone in the PAC this year, but I think the PAC 12 is much stronger as a whole, and neither of those teams would go undefeated if they were in the PAC 12
 
Lol at anybody who accuses the PAC of being down this year and then refuses to admit that the SEC is down as well.

The SEC East is an absolute JOKE. Florida is the best team by a mile on that side of the conference and they're a limited, 1 dimensional football team. Their offense makes Utah's look like Baylor-Lite. Georgia was gigantically overrated, yet again, Missouri sucks, Tenn sucks, SC sucks, Vandy sucks......

On the West side, A&M ain't reppin' the SEC in the playoffs, 'Bama has more QB struggles than normal and is not nearly as complete as they usually are, yet they still might be better than LSU, Ole Miss can't win in the road at G5 Memphis, and MSU will finish with 4 conference losses in a year in which none of their conference opponents are great. Hell, I damn near forget to mention what a **** show Auburn is this year.

If Utah doesn't end up in the Rose Bowl, I PRAY they somehow luck into a bowl matchup vs Miss State. Automatic bowl win and yet another chance to feed the SEC apologists some humble pie.
 
jazzman12 said:
Lol at anybody who accuses the PAC of being down this year and then refuses to admit that the SEC is down as well.

The SEC East is an absolute JOKE. Florida is the best team by a mile on that side of the conference and they're a limited, 1 dimensional football team. Their offense makes Utah's look like Baylor-Lite. Georgia was gigantically overrated, yet again, Missouri sucks, Tenn sucks, SC sucks, Vandy sucks......

On the West side, A&M ain't reppin' the SEC in the playoffs, 'Bama has more QB struggles than normal and is not nearly as complete as they usually are, yet they still might be better than LSU, Ole Miss can't win in the road at G5 Memphis, and MSU will finish with 4 conference losses in a year in which none of their conference opponents are great. Hell, I damn near forget to mention what a **** show Auburn is this year.

If Utah doesn't end up in the Rose Bowl, I PRAY they somehow luck into a bowl matchup vs Miss State. Automatic bowl win and yet another chance to feed the SEC apologists some humble pie.
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I agree. I think the sec and pac12 are down a bit this year while the big12 and big 10 are on the upswing a bit. Then the acc has clemson and Florida state looking good.

For my opinion (which don't mean ****) I have the sec #1, the pac #2, the big 12 #3, big 10 #4, acc #5.
But due to the pac and sec not being as dominant as in the past, combined with the big 12, big 10, and acc having legit title contenders and heavy at the top.... The conferences are bunched much closer together this season
 
It's not that their down it's that there is a lot of parity and any team in the Pac 12 can beat any team in the conference on any Saturday, same with the SEC. Regardless of rank you can and will get beat if you don't come ready to play which is what I love about college football. What's the point of watching the games if the outcomes should be pre determined on paper? I don't care how teams win I only care that they do win. I don't care if it's by a half a point, a win is a win, because it's hard to win football games.
 
fishonjazz said:
I agree. I think the sec and pac12 are down a bit this year while the big12 and big 10 are on the upswing a bit. Then the acc has clemson and Florida state looking good.

For my opinion (which don't mean ****) I have the sec #1, the pac #2, the big 12 #3, big 10 #4, acc #5.
But due to the pac and sec not being as dominant as in the past, combined with the big 12, big 10, and acc having legit title contenders and heavy at the top.... The conferences are bunched much closer together this season
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The Big 10 is better than the Big 12. SEC is overrated I think the Pac has parity with them. We will see when the bowl games happen. SEC probably gets overrated again and loses a bunch.
 
tfivas said:
It's not that their down it's that there is a lot of parity and any team in the Pac 12 can beat any team in the conference on any Saturday
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I knew you would say that
 
I do think the PAC is doing just fine with parity when you compare it to the other P5's, but with Oregon and USC being "down", it's hard not to argue that the conference isn't seen as powerful as last year. Utah, Stanford, Wazzu have all improved this year, but on the flip side of that, Oregon, USC, UA, and ASU have all stumbled backwards.

Just like last year, I think PAC will represent just fine come bowl season. And also just like last year, I think the SEC will underwhelm.
 
Mississippi State recruiting their asses off in basketball. Won't be too much longer until Miss St is better than Utah in Basketball also.
 
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