My thoughts =/= David Locke's thoughts
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candrew
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This is pretty much it - Jazz get plenty of open looks. The problem is they have 6 legitimate NBA players on the active roster. The rest are lucky to be in the league. While I often despise watching the opposing team's feeds on NBALP, every once in awhile you get a fresh perspective that has value. One thing I've consistently heard from color guys is The Jazz execute well on offense. They just don't always have the talent on the floor to make it work.
homeytennis
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Look to the DLeague and Cotton, Sundiata Gaines and Elliot Williams are putting up pretty good numbers.
seattlejazzfan
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Lol. Just love Homey's consistency.
candrew
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Right. Talented PG's play one or two years in college at the most. College coaches are not going to build their offense around one 18 year old kid as the sole distributor. That's one of the reasons why most NBA teams run a motion offense or the catch and shoot/one-on-one nonsense.
I think once CP3 gets up in age and sees his minutes cut and Durant leaves OKC you won't see any more 10 APG PG's in the NBA for a while.
homeytennis
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Michael Stockton is averaging 0 points 1 rebound and 1 assist per game.
San Antonio Spurs run motion. The Utah Quin Snyder's run high school ****. Please do not call it motion.
jazzfan1971
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I'm no coach, not even that schooled in x's and o's. If it's not motion it isn't. To me it looks a lot like an offense that Sloan put in back in the day that one of the announcers said was based on Doug Moe's motion offense. (as near as I can remember the facts that is)
So, call it what you like, but It looks very familiar to me, and still as bad as ever. I think it might work if your primary ball handler had a fantastic first step and the lead into the motion offense started with a defensive scramble, but, it just doesn't look like it works against a set defense by my eye.
So, call it what you like, but It looks very familiar to me, and still as bad as ever. I think it might work if your primary ball handler had a fantastic first step and the lead into the motion offense started with a defensive scramble, but, it just doesn't look like it works against a set defense by my eye.
Our guards don't do a great job of a) shooting the ball, b) moving the ball, or c) penetrating to put pressure on the defense.
That makes everything else we want to do on offense more difficult.
Exum even though he wasn't a shooter, was a great ball mover who always put pressure on the defense with his threat to get to the rim. He had some gravity. Trey Burke is a limited shooter/scorer and mediocre passer/ball mover. Raul hasn't figured out how to score, and until he does it's hard to have him on the court.
We ask Hayward, Hood, Ingles and Burks to be initiators to compensate for our guards, and they're not bad at it considering that they're really wings, but they're not exactly game-changing all stars either. They've been streaky.
Our bigs are big, a bit slow and not great passers. Rudy can pass the ball on certain deliveries, but our bigs are ball stoppers for the most part with limitations as scorers.
So coaches are trying to figure out how to piece together enough offense to stay competitive. It's difficult. We still don't have the kind of player you can build an offense around.
That makes everything else we want to do on offense more difficult.
Exum even though he wasn't a shooter, was a great ball mover who always put pressure on the defense with his threat to get to the rim. He had some gravity. Trey Burke is a limited shooter/scorer and mediocre passer/ball mover. Raul hasn't figured out how to score, and until he does it's hard to have him on the court.
We ask Hayward, Hood, Ingles and Burks to be initiators to compensate for our guards, and they're not bad at it considering that they're really wings, but they're not exactly game-changing all stars either. They've been streaky.
Our bigs are big, a bit slow and not great passers. Rudy can pass the ball on certain deliveries, but our bigs are ball stoppers for the most part with limitations as scorers.
So coaches are trying to figure out how to piece together enough offense to stay competitive. It's difficult. We still don't have the kind of player you can build an offense around.
jazzfan1971
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I agree with all of this. But, my point is that the motion option seems the least effective of all the other options that they have at their disposal. I'm not saying the other options are league beaters, just better than the motion. At least that's what my eyes are telling me.
homeytennis
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The offense Sloan installed was the old Weber State offense of yesteryear that was developed by Dick Motta and Phil Johnson and used by the Bulls when Sloan played there. The offense works.
just because
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So basically you want Al Jefferson or Kanter back? Not me. I hated that stagnant offense.
I like that we have lots of ball movement. We're 10 games in, give them a chance to work it through. I bet it will get better and by 30 games in it will have more open looks and drives to the basket with less traps and problems.