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Sanders starting to kick some HC... whatever

gandalfe said:
What about... not arming police like an invading army? What about... training police to do something OTHER than pull a gun immediately?

Studies do show that more police can reduce crime, but, more than that, more EFFECTIVE police really reduce crime, at a lower cost both financially and in human terms.

As for Bernie's stance, I think it's addressed at least in part (in somewhat florid language) on his page: https://berniesanders.com/issues/racial-justice/
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Care to be more specific on what equipment and training you specifically oppose?
 
Sirkickyass said:
I just don't think Bernie is going to get there. The reality is that he can't get enough black voters to turn out for him even though he's the best non-Obama candidate for that demographic ever (and in truth, I think he might be better for them than Obama). Super Tuesday is going to be hard on everyone who's feeling the Bern.





Real talk: As long as you consume primarily in your own home and don't bother anyone else, drugs are already soft legal in this country.
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I agree.

I desire legality for two reasons though.
#1. I would like to grow a couple of plants for myself. I believe the penalties for growing are still very high.
#2. I work at a place that drug tests so I can't currently partake. Legalization might change things in that department.
 
Sirkickyass said:
The reality is that he can't get enough black voters to turn out for him even though he's the best non-Obama candidate for that demographic ever (and in truth, I think he might be better for them than Obama).
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It's this sort of stuff that makes me wish for IQ tests in order to vote. People are just so stupid. How can you be black and possibly believe, based on their track records, that Hilary is more committed to black issues than Bernie? It just boggles the mind.

And it's not restricted to black people, either. How can you be a hardcore evangelical and somehow believe that Trump cares about evangelicals more than Cruz or Carson?
 
fishonjazz said:
I agree.

I desire legality for two reasons though.
#1. I would like to grow a couple of plants for myself. I believe the penalties for growing are still very high.
#2. I work at a place that drug tests so I can't currently partake. Legalization might change things in that department.
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Look man, I get it. I know a guy who entirely got off prescription fentanyl because he was able to quasi-legally use marijuana in Arizona. It doesn't take a genius to know which of those drugs is more debilitating to your daily life.

Recreational use is one thing. That's regulation of people wanting to have fun. That's arguably a moral evil but, if done sensibly, you can at least make an argument that people need to be protected from themselves. Just like how we don't let people roll the dice on old food products that are probably fine most of the time. You need hard line rules to prevent people from making themselves ill. Of course, the US DEA scheduling system doesn't do that sensibly. To return to our prior example, Marijuana is Schedule I (supposedly reserved for drugs with high abuse potential and no recognized medical use) while Fentanyl is Schedule III and available for prescription use because of supposed low risk of abuse. Tobacco, which probably actually fits the definition of Schedule I given that it creates physical dependency, is legal everywhere.

Don't even get me started on the multiple Schedule I substances classifiable as psychedelics. The number of hours wasted on therapy because MDMA is schedule I is probably uncountable. Based upon experiences with those I know, it is honestly a moral evil that we keep that stuff away from people. Years of bad **** gets wiped away in just a few sessions. That we then spend money propagandizing the substance to try and justify its prohibition is even worse. Lots of people's lives would be enriched if clean and legal sources were easily acquirable.

That's much more important to me than something like weed at the end of the day. It's not about legalizing any one drug, what's needed is to completely scrap and overhaul the Scheduling system. Until then, all the drugs, Schedule I or otherwise, will remain soft legal as long as you have sufficient resources to do it in non-public ways. That's a real poverty tax that hits the poor and minorities disproportionately.


JimLes said:
It's this sort of stuff that makes me wish for IQ tests in order to vote. People are just so stupid. How can you be black and possibly believe, based on their track records, that Hilary is more committed to black issues than Bernie? It just boggles the mind.

And it's not restricted to black people, either. How can you be a hardcore evangelical and somehow believe that Trump cares about evangelicals more than Cruz or Carson?
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I think Trump has managed to expose real divides in the party. The reality is that those evangelicals have been convinced to vote for people who didn't have their best interests at heart because they got dog whistled on some social issues. Trump doesn't care about them either, but he's at least saying all the populist things that actually affect those people's lives (in their perception) more than hypothetical issues about gay marriage or abortion.

Real Evangelicals don't have a natural party home. They are socially with the GOP but the vast majority of them would benefit from Democratic policy. Trump hits the sweet spot. He voices anger and appears to be the thing that no one else provides them.

I will say this: if Bernie manages to win Iowa AND New Hampshire then it's a real race. I suspect African Americans will come around to him when they get to know him a little better. But he's going to have to make that happen before the largely southern primary happens to prevent Hillary from getting a huge delegate lead. A few high reach people in the African American community are starting to really push him (e.g. Cornel West, Killer Mike), and that will go a long way.
 
Sirkickyass said:
Look man, I get it. I know a guy who entirely got off prescription fentanyl because he was able to quasi-legally use marijuana in Arizona. It doesn't take a genius to know which of those drugs is more debilitating to your daily life.

Recreational use is one thing. That's regulation of people wanting to have fun. That's arguably a moral evil but, if done sensibly, you can at least make an argument that people need to be protected from themselves. Just like how we don't let people roll the dice on old food products that are probably fine most of the time. You need hard line rules to prevent people from making themselves ill. Of course, the US DEA scheduling system doesn't do that sensibly. To return to our prior example, Marijuana is Schedule I (supposedly reserved for drugs with high abuse potential and no recognized medical use) while Fentanyl is Schedule III and available for prescription use because of supposed low risk of abuse. Tobacco, which probably actually fits the definition of Schedule I given that it creates physical dependency, is legal everywhere.

Don't even get me started on the multiple Schedule I substances classifiable as psychedelics. The number of hours wasted on therapy because MDMA is schedule I is probably uncountable. Based upon experiences with those I know, it is honestly a moral evil that we keep that stuff away from people. Years of bad **** gets wiped away in just a few sessions. That we then spend money propagandizing the substance to try and justify its prohibition is even worse. Lots of people's lives would be enriched if clean and legal sources were easily acquirable.

That's much more important to me than something like weed at the end of the day. It's not about legalizing any one drug, what's needed is to completely scrap and overhaul the Scheduling system. Until then, all the drugs, Schedule I or otherwise, will remain soft legal as long as you have sufficient resources to do it in non-public ways. That's a real poverty tax that hits the poor and minorities disproportionately.
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I ate a couple fentanyl patches one time. Damn near killed me
 
Sirkickyass said:
Why would you eat a fentanyl patch?

You're not the first person I've heard of doing that, but, like, what was the plan man?
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To get ****ed up. It worked. Too good.
 
fishonjazz said:
To get ****ed up. It worked. Too good.
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Sometimes discretion is the better part of bravery. This was one of those times.

That's way too hardcore for me to even imagine doing. I refuse to go anywhere near 5-Meo-Dipt because I won't put up with possible diarrhea.
 
I'm a big fan of Bernie, even though it obviously doesn't have much affect on me in another country. I just find it incredible how the things he's proposing will get him labelled as a dirty socialist in the states when they are largely common place all over the developed world.

I love your political process by the way, it's so crazy and entertaining.
 
fgcamel said:
I'm a big fan of Bernie, even though it obviously doesn't have much affect on me in another country. I just find it incredible how the things he's proposing will get him labelled as a dirty socialist in the states when they are largely common place all over the developed world.

I love your political process by the way, it's so crazy and entertaining.
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I hate it. The EC is terrible IMO. Also why should a few states get such a large say in who we get? I'm not even a fan of the 2 party system.
 
Stoked said:
I hate it. The EC is terrible IMO. Also why should a few states get such a large say in who we get? I'm not even a fan of the 2 party system.
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Oh it's definitely not good in a practical sense. I just mean from an entertainment point of view. Especially those wacky republicans.

Edit: Yea, maybe process wasn't the right word to use.
 
Well, it's basically a tie in Iowa, and Bernie is almost certain to take NH, so who knows ... I've been campaigning for him here in Ohio, canvassing, a little phone banking, had a major event when he did his live remote for supporters (70 people showed). He's my candidate of a lifetime. Hillary is seriously evil. Watch the Clinton Chronicles, or the film about Mena, or read the book about Vince Foster's death (murder / cover-up). I'm originally from upstate NY and Bernie has been saying the same things for 30 years.
 
Not to be that annoying guy, cause I haven't followed the races that much yet...but ate evangelicals actually going for Trump? I know that in my circle of people that would fit under evangelicals, none of them want anything to do with Trump. So I guess I'm just curious as to whether that's just become a talking point that people are parroting, or whether it's actually true...cause I don't think it's true.
 
As always in these political races, I find a candidate who I agree with in foreign affairs and who's domestic policies would stink and viceversa, but never a candidate I agree with in both areas. Bernie fits the first of my descriptions. The less we need is another war mongering interventionist president to milk us at home while pouring dollars into foreign affairs, like Hillary the B****y b**** of the West has already been doing. She will go straight for Assad mark my words, and we'll have yet one more mess in the Middle East.
 
♪alt13 said:
Does anyone know when the Democratic primary is for Utah. I want to show up and vote for Bernie.
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Word up bro.
Count me in.

Except I have never voted and don't even know what I have to do to be eligible
 
Stoked said:
I hate it. The EC is terrible IMO. Also why should a few states get such a large say in who we get? I'm not even a fan of the 2 party system.
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Agreed on both counts (2 party system and EC)
 
Why shouldn't states with bigger populations have more say than smaller ones? That how it would work even if you eliminated the EC.
 
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