Erin Andrews - Awarded $55M

[Joe Bagadonuts]

You are lucky, what if it was your daughter? I don't know if you have one, and if not, what if you did? Would your nude daughter on the internet be worth $55M? Would you feel lucky to have her naked body on display for the word, including all the pedo's out there, to see? Erin Andrews is someone's daughter.

I've never seen the video and I'm not going to look it up. No, I would not be happy if someone did this to my daughter. That doesn't mean that I believe that a party who made some mistakes but did not commit the crime should be obligated to pay a huge fine. How would you feel if this case was awarded against your business?

 

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I've never seen the video and I'm not going to look it up. No, I would not be happy if someone did this to my daughter. That doesn't mean that I believe that a party who made some mistakes but did not commit the crime should be obligated to pay a huge fine. How would you feel if this case was awarded against your business?

I would hope I had insurance good enough to cover it.

 

[Miggs]

She's not getting 55M. Or 27M. Prob more like 6-10M.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

I would hope I had insurance good enough to cover it.

This is just incredible to me. How can it be that so few people recognize where this money ultimately comes from? Do you think that insurance companies are just sitting around waiting to take it in the shorts and that a huge award like this has no repercussions? Doesn't anyone recognize that the costs of giving Andrews all this money goes right into society and are spread among all of us. Do any of you really believe that her particular "hurt" is so special that it should be worth millions upon millions?

But it's not just this case. A legal precedent gets set and this will happen again and again. Each time the lawyers rake in their fat fees they will try to convince us that they have again cured a societal ill and made sure that someone has been taught a lesson (not necessarily the actual perpetrator, but some entity with deep pockets who can somehow be tied to negligence that allowed the crime to be committed). And as a consequence our costs will go up, and up, and up.

This whole scenario played out (and continues to play out) in the medical industry and look where it's left us. But now we're going to sit by like a bunch of idiots and applaud as our other industries are destroyed. And some of us are even going to claim that these costs are passed along to the insurance companies so it really doesn't matter.

(BTW, lol at the logic of saying that the purpose of the fine being to teach the company a lesson, and that it gets paid by the insurance company anyway. Are we actually trying to teach the insurance companies lessons rather than the perpetrators of the crime, or the companies who can be somehow linked to it, or anyone else? The insurance companies are learning because they simply raise their rates and pass the costs right on to us. What a ridiculous treadmill we have put ourselves on.)

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

She's not getting 55M. Or 27M. Prob more like 6-10M.

You think this makes it better? The money is getting paid and the difference between what gets paid out and what ends up in Andrews' pocket is all going somewhere. It pisses me off that these lawyers are earning such a hefty portion of it as a reward for screwing society over. Thanks a lot, guys.

 

[Gameface]

You think this makes it better? The money is getting paid and the difference between what gets paid out and what ends up in Andrews' pocket is all going somewhere. It pisses me off that these lawyers are earning such a hefty portion of it as a reward for screwing society over. Thanks a lot, guys.

She'll get substantially less because the ruling will be appealed and she'll likely settle. The company will pay less.

I don't know what the right amount is or how they came to 55mil. As has been stated many times in this thread, the award is meant to punish the people responsible so that doing this sort of thing isn't just the cost of doing business. It's supposed to cause all people in that position to take measures to prevent this sort of thing happening.

Just like the 1mil award for spilled coffee, it's one thing to here a summary and decide the award is ridiculous, it's another to get more of the details and understand how they came to that award.

 

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This is just incredible to me. How can it be that so few people recognize where this money ultimately comes from? Do you think that insurance companies are just sitting around waiting to take it in the shorts and that a huge award like this has no repercussions? Doesn't anyone recognize that the costs of giving Andrews all this money goes right into society and are spread among all of us. Do any of you really believe that her particular "hurt" is so special that it should be worth millions upon millions?

But it's not just this case. A legal precedent gets set and this will happen again and again. Each time the lawyers rake in their fat fees they will try to convince us that they have again cured a societal ill and made sure that someone has been taught a lesson (not necessarily the actual perpetrator, but some entity with deep pockets who can somehow be tied to negligence that allowed the crime to be committed). And as a consequence our costs will go up, and up, and up.

This whole scenario played out (and continues to play out) in the medical industry and look where it's left us. But now we're going to sit by like a bunch of idiots and applaud as our other industries are destroyed. And some of us are even going to claim that these costs are passed along to the insurance companies so it really doesn't matter.

(BTW, lol at the logic of saying that the purpose of the fine being to teach the company a lesson, and that it gets paid by the insurance company anyway. Are we actually trying to teach the insurance companies lessons rather than the perpetrators of the crime, or the companies who can be somehow linked to it, or anyone else? The insurance companies are learning because they simply raise their rates and pass the costs right on to us. What a ridiculous treadmill we have put ourselves on.)

Where is this indignation coming from? You have been proven to not understand the way this works by an actual attorney who does most of his work for actual insurance companies, yet your claim is that this is the thing ruining society?

What about the dude stalking someone and making their life a living hell for multiple years? Is this any better than raping her? I don't understand the way you think. You seem to think that personal liberty is the most important thing in our lives, but when the legal system tries to set a precedent that this country will not stand for this stalker ********, you cry foul? If a company makes a gross error and if negatively affects a person's life in this manner, the company should pay.

In a case where a company makes hundreds of millions of dollars, they should pay a lot more, or they will keep on making the same mistakes. Here is a question: do you think this is going to change anything about the way Marriott does business? If it was my personal business, you bet it would change. I would change everything about the way I train employees. If the fine was a million dollars, they would probably think about whether they would even change anything before making changes that might not stick.

This is not about what is fair for Erin Andrews. It's about what our rights are as Americans. And Americans should not have to worry that our personal information is being given out against our will and in a manner that will potentially hurt us.

 

[BabyPeterzz]

This is just incredible to me. How can it be that so few people recognize where this money ultimately comes from? Do you think that insurance companies are just sitting around waiting to take it in the shorts and that a huge award like this has no repercussions? Doesn't anyone recognize that the costs of giving Andrews all this money goes right into society and are spread among all of us. Do any of you really believe that her particular "hurt" is so special that it should be worth millions upon millions?

But it's not just this case. A legal precedent gets set and this will happen again and again. Each time the lawyers rake in their fat fees they will try to convince us that they have again cured a societal ill and made sure that someone has been taught a lesson (not necessarily the actual perpetrator, but some entity with deep pockets who can somehow be tied to negligence that allowed the crime to be committed). And as a consequence our costs will go up, and up, and up.

This whole scenario played out (and continues to play out) in the medical industry and look where it's left us. But now we're going to sit by like a bunch of idiots and applaud as our other industries are destroyed. And some of us are even going to claim that these costs are passed along to the insurance companies so it really doesn't matter.

(BTW, lol at the logic of saying that the purpose of the fine being to teach the company a lesson, and that it gets paid by the insurance company anyway. Are we actually trying to teach the insurance companies lessons rather than the perpetrators of the crime, or the companies who can be somehow linked to it, or anyone else? The insurance companies are learning because they simply raise their rates and pass the costs right on to us. What a ridiculous treadmill we have put ourselves on.)

Where you've decided to place your outrage is more telling than anything, and what I was really talking about. Keep fighting the good fight, or whatever.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Where is this indignation coming from? You have been proven to not understand the way this works by an actual attorney who does most of his work for actual insurance companies, yet your claim is that this is the thing ruining society?

Maybe you should read my exchange with that actual attorney a little closer. He claimed rates were offered as teasers and that I didn't know what I was talking about. This wasn't even a valid response to my earlier statement, but nevertheless I refuted his claim about insurance rates showing how things really worked. He responded with an obfuscated post essentially agreeing that the way I said things worked was correct and backing off his claim of teaser rates. Yeah, he really showed me!

What about the dude stalking someone and making their life a living hell for multiple years? Is this any better than raping her? I don't understand the way you think. You seem to think that personal liberty is the most important thing in our lives, but when the legal system tries to set a precedent that this country will not stand for this stalker ********, you cry foul? If a company makes a gross error and if negatively affects a person's life in this manner, the company should pay.

The stalker doesn't have any money and can't compensate the victim for his crimes. What are we going to do? Oh, I have an idea! Let's find someone with deep pockets and make them pay the penalty. That ought to insure that nothing like this ever happens again, right?

I have news for you. This award against Marriott will do virtually nothing to stop crazy stalkers from making their victims lives miserable. We accomplished nothing but making some attorneys rich and increasing the cost of hotel rooms.

In a case where a company makes hundreds of millions of dollars, they should pay a lot more, or they will keep on making the same mistakes. Here is a question: do you think this is going to change anything about the way Marriott does business? If it was my personal business, you bet it would change. I would change everything about the way I train employees. If the fine was a million dollars, they would probably think about whether they would even change anything before making changes that might not stick.

This is not about what is fair for Erin Andrews. It's about what our rights are as Americans. And Americans should not have to worry that our personal information is being given out against our will and in a manner that will potentially hurt us.

You are completely overlooking two things. First, life is full of risks every day, and we simply cannot insulate ourselves against all of them (especially with a strategy like this). Second, future hotel customers are the ones who will ultimately be paying this fine. Take a look at the health care situation if you really think that's a good idea. We are suing ourselves into oblivion.

 

[b_line]

Maybe you should read my exchange with that actual attorney a little closer. He claimed rates were offered as teasers and that I didn't know what I was talking about. This wasn't even a valid response to my earlier statement, but nevertheless I refuted his claim about insurance rates showing how things really worked. He responded with an obfuscated post essentially agreeing that the way I said things worked and backing off his claim of teaser rates. Yeah, he really showed me!

The stalker doesn't have any money and can't compensate the victim for his crimes. What are we going to do? Oh, I have an idea! Let's find someone with deep pockets and make them pay the penalty. That ought to insure that nothing like this ever happens again, right?

I have news for you. This award against Marriott will do virtually nothing to stop crazy stalkers from making their victims lives miserable. We accomplished nothing but making some attorneys rich and increasing the cost of hotel rooms.

You are completely overlooking two things. First, life is full of risks every day, and we simply cannot insulate ourselves against all of them (especially with a strategy like this). Second, future hotel customers are the ones who will ultimately be paying this fine. Take a look at the health care situation if you really think that's a good idea. We are suing ourselves into oblivion.

You are completely overlooking the fact that the hotel gave out confidential info on a single, famous woman to a stalker, then even booked a room next to here with an adjoining door!

This is beyond the hotel making a little mistake. This is not something that happens everyday, and to try to blow it off as something that is a risk we take everyday just by walking out of our house, is bull crap. And you probably know it.

In this case, the plaintiff was not looking for a person to charge the money to because they could not get it from the dirt bag who filmed her. This is a case where the hotel was grossly negligent and needs to rectify what they did. As has been stated a couple times before, they not only need to rectify with Andrews, but they need to guarantee to the rest of the public that they will not let this happen again. If they do not have insurance to pay the bill, then they need to go out of business because this should not be allowed to happen to people who put their trust in the hotel when they book a room.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

You are completely overlooking the fact that the hotel gave out confidential info on a single, famous woman to a stalker, then even booked a room next to here with an adjoining door!

This is beyond the hotel making a little mistake. This is not something that happens everyday, and to try to blow it off as something that is a risk we take everyday just by walking out of our house, is bull crap. And you probably know it.

In this case, the plaintiff was not looking for a person to charge the money to because they could not get it from the dirt bag who filmed her. This is a case where the hotel was grossly negligent and needs to rectify what they did. As has been stated a couple times before, they not only need to rectify with Andrews, but they need to guarantee to the rest of the public that they will not let this happen again. If they do not have insurance to pay the bill, then they need to go out of business because this should not be allowed to happen to people who put their trust in the hotel when they book a room.

Okay. I think we've beaten this horse pretty much to death. We disagree on numerous points and we obviously aren't going to change each other's minds.

 

[fishonjazz]

Okay. I think we've beaten this horse pretty much to death. We disagree on numerous points and we obviously aren't going to change each other's minds.

I wish more discussions/arguments ended this way

 

[green]

I wish more discussions/arguments ended this way

What?!?!? I wanted 10 more pages of rehashing the same stuff over and over and over and

 

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over and over and over and over and over and over

 

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again.

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

I am somewhat amazed, but not necessarily surprised, at the lack of empathy expressed by so many posters for this woman and the sense of absolute personal violation she must've felt having her privacy violated so egregiously like it was. I am reasonably certain, moreover, that for all those who say that they would be thrilled if this happened to their wife or daughter or someone they loved, if they could get money out of it, that, if it actually happened, they would feel very differently. It kind of reminds me of those cases in which a male teacher at a school has sexually violated a female student to hear the male students talk about how they would've been thrilled if their female teacher has initiated sex with them. It comes across so much as a good ol' boys club response that, quite frankly, I'm embarrassed by it.

Note that I am not commenting on the appropriateness of the size of the award. I don't know if $55 million was excessive, it seems excessive on the surface, but in my mind that still doesn't excuse the lack of empathy showed here for this poor woman.

 

[JazzGal]

A sports message board isn't likely a place where women's issues are going to be treated with as much respect as we might wish. There are reasons that the women in this community have not commented on this thread.

 

[BabyPeterzz]

A sports message board isn't likely a place where women's issues are going to be treated with as much respect as we might wish. There are reasons that the women in this community have not commented on this thread.

It's embarrassing. I hope you and other female posters on JF know that not all the men on this board are represented in this thread, and that some of us do not condone this behavior.

 

[JazzGal]

It's embarrassing. I hope you and other female posters on JF know that not all the men on this board are represented in this thread, and that some of us do not condone this behavior.

I'm not trying to judge or make anyone feel bad. We know what we are getting when we are on a male-dominated sports board, and we know what types of threads to avoid. This board is certainly not a terrible place or I wouldn't be here. I am assuming that the men on this board treat women well IRL.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Thanks. I'm not trying to judge or make anyone feel bad. We know what we are getting when we are on a male-dominated sports board, and we know what types of threads to avoid. This board is certainly not a terrible place. I am assuming that most of the men on this board treat women well IRL.

I sure don't see my contribution to this thread as anti-women in the slightest. Is that how it's being perceived? My opinion of this case has absolutely nothing to do with sex.