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So, you've all heard my whining about how Utah needs to tank again to build around Exum. Let's go the other direction. Let's try to contend now. Let's build the best team you can as fast as you can. Here is what I do:

Trade Favors and Burks to Cleveland for Love. Why? Love wants back out west. Cleveland gets Favors, who is an All Star next to LeBron, can play center, and is an amazing defender and Burks is a talented young wing.

Trade #12, GS 2017 pick and Burke to Atl for Teague. Why? Utah gets lucky and Atl falls in love with a player at 12.

Sign Batum to a 2 year, 20 million per year deal.

This is what we look like:

PG - Teague (30 mins) - Exum (15 mins) - Mack (10 mins)
SG - Gordon Hayward (10 mins) - Exum (15 mins) - Hood (12 mins)
SF - Batum (25 mins) - Hayward (20 mins) - Hood (5 mins)
PF - Love (30 mins) - Lyles (20 mins)
C - Gobert (30 mins) - Lyles (5 mins) - Withey (15 mins)

We have vets, we have a star in Love, we have length everywhere, passing, defense, and shooting.

We have a payroll of 84 million next year.

A payroll of 59 million in 2017 when the cap is 108 million.

And in 2018, we have a payroll of 24 million.

So, we get good fast, but we retain cap space to keep whoever pans out of all this. We can keep our young players, but win now. Then as Batum's contract ends, we bring him back or bring in someone else or let Hood grow into the roll.

When Teague leaves next summer, we let Exum move into the starting roll.

When Love leaves, let Lyles move in.
 
When I think of a star I don't think of a guy I don't really know anything about and never hear other basketball fans talk about.
 
Love is a better shooter. He is a better passer. He is a better rebounder. Love has better win shares. He has better VORP than Favors.

Love is better than Favors.

Love would open the floor up for our good pick and roll players, such as Hood and Hayward.

NOW, Cleveland would never trade Love for Favors, because Love is just better. But, it's my dream so I let it go.
 
green said:
Love is a better shooter. He is a better passer. He is a better rebounder. Love has better win shares. He has better VORP than Favors.

Love is better than Favors.

Love would open the floor up for our good pick and roll players, such as Hood and Hayward.

NOW, Cleveland would never trade Love for Favors, because Love is just better. But, it's my dream so I let it go.
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Love is not a star as he is currently in the process of so ably demonstrating.
 
So we will become contenders with KLove(benched for Channing Frye in the clutch and hasn't played a single minute in the last two conference finals 4th quarters), Jeff Teague - benched for Dennis ****ing Schroeder in the clutch in Atlanta. Oh and we are going to bench one of the best young offensive creators on the wing in Hood and give him 17 minutes a game? Yeah, right...
 
green said:
So, you've all heard my whining about how Utah needs to tank again to build around Exum. Let's go the other direction. Let's try to contend now. Let's build the best team you can as fast as you can. Here is what I do:

Trade Favors and Burks to Cleveland for Love. Why? Love wants back out west. Cleveland gets Favors, who is an All Star next to LeBron, can play center, and is an amazing defender and Burks is a talented young wing.

Trade #12, GS 2017 pick and Burke to Atl for Teague. Why? Utah gets lucky and Atl falls in love with a player at 12.

Sign Batum to a 2 year, 20 million per year deal.

This is what we look like:

PG - Teague (30 mins) - Exum (15 mins) - Mack (10 mins)
SG - Gordon Hayward (10 mins) - Exum (15 mins) - Hood (12 mins)
SF - Batum (25 mins) - Hayward (20 mins) - Hood (5 mins)
PF - Love (30 mins) - Lyles (20 mins)
C - Gobert (30 mins) - Lyles (5 mins) - Withey (15 mins)

We have vets, we have a star in Love, we have length everywhere, passing, defense, and shooting.

We have a payroll of 84 million next year.

A payroll of 59 million in 2017 when the cap is 108 million.

And in 2018, we have a payroll of 24 million.

So, we get good fast, but we retain cap space to keep whoever pans out of all this. We can keep our young players, but win now. Then as Batum's contract ends, we bring him back or bring in someone else or let Hood grow into the roll.

When Teague leaves next summer, we let Exum move into the starting roll.

When Love leaves, let Lyles move in.
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Green, I usually agree with your posts but this post is a pretty big whiff bruh. It just makes no sense to me man. Love is not the answer. He could not Even get the t wolves to the playoffs one time in the 7ish years in Minny. And he's a massive liability defensively. Do you really think that team does anything more then maybe win one playoffs game?


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green said:
Love is a better shooter. He is a better passer. He is a better rebounder. Love has better win shares. He has better VORP than Favors.

Love is better than Favors.

Love would open the floor up for our good pick and roll players, such as Hood and Hayward.

NOW, Cleveland would never trade Love for Favors, because Love is just better. But, it's my dream so I let it go.
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Next your gonna say Love is a better defender than Favors.


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Hell no to Love. He's overrated, three years older and twice as expensive. Over the past two seasons, both average about 16 points per game, Love has the edge in 3 point shooting, and a slight edge in rebounds and assists, while Derrick is a FAR superior defender with the edge on steals and blocks (by a WIDE margin.) Derrick Favors is more physical and more versatile. I'd pass on that one.
 
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I like the general philosophy of what green is saying here but love is not good enough and batum would not come that cheap.

Batum would probably have to be 2 years 30 million.
Make the same trade to the clippers (they would never do it but whatever) for griffin.

Exum
Hayward
Batum
Griffin
Gobert

Hood plays the 2 and the 3 and still gets lots of minutes.

I like it.
 
Lol. Love doesn't even play defense. He was the definition of a 'good stats, bad team' guy. Talented, no doubt. But you don't win running your offense through Love.
 
fishonjazz said:
I like the general philosophy of what green is saying here but love is not good enough and batum would not come that cheap.

Batum would probably have to be 2 years 30 million.
Make the same trade to the clippers (they would never do it but whatever) for griffin.

Exum
Hayward
Batum
Griffin
Gobert

Hood plays the 2 and the 3 and still gets lots of minutes.

I like it.
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To be fair, I think he said 2 years/$40 million for Batum ($20 million PER year.) which is about what I think he gets - just for a full 4 year deal (4th year player option just like Hayward's contract.) Whoever signs him will do so expecting further improvements and will require a contract that will end up with Bird rights when it expires or he opts out.

You can make that deal if you're looking for a young, starting wing on the open market and you aren't in the conversation for Durant/DeRozen. I think the Jazz are too high on Rodney Hood to spend that kind of cash on anyone who isn't a clear All-Star caliber player, but I was making this exact same argument for Junkyard Dog last year (until I saw what Toronto was willing to pay him.)

If you want Batum, fine. Get Gobert to start recruiting him, see what the market bears and then go pay him. Nicolas Batum is a (slightly) younger, better offensive, poorer defensive version of DMC last year. He got $15 million per year on the open market. I actually think that he'd be a great fit for the Jazz if he can stay healthy.

But still a big, fat "hell no" to getting Kevin Love. I'd rafter gamble on Gobert, Favors, Lyles, Hayward, Hood, Burks and Exum staying healthy and doing enough to make it into the playoffs. Maybe add Pau Gasol and Jeff Teague, but keep Burks - the 2017 free agent market for SGs is awful and that contract will be a GOLDEN asset after this offseason. Then you look to add a star player in 2017 - Curry, Paul, Westbrook, Griffin, Durant and Lowry will all potentially hit the market - when less teams have max cap space (because they've burned it up this year) and you've proven that the Jazz ate a playoff caliber team that is trending up. Plus, you'd have Bird rights to extend Hayward, Gobert and Teague.

If you think Batum is the best you can do over the next two offseaaons, then get him and roll with it. Otherwise, keep developing your players, and looking for a shot at a star. Who knows what happens at the 2017 trade deadline with the number of star players possibly hitting the open market in 2017.
 
I find it funny how badly you guys hate love but like Favors. Favors has taken us nowhere.

Sure Live didn't take Minnesota anywhere either, but who fits better with this team? Favors is better defensively, but we have Gobert. Gobert and Favors offensively are a mess. Love would open up the floor offensively. His three point shooting would make Hayward, Exum, Gobert and Hood much, much better. It would open up the floor. Our pick and rolls with Exum and Gobert would be deadly.

Also, by the end of his deal, with the cap rising, he'd be cheap.

If Batum needs two years, 30 per, do it. We'd have the space and who else are going to give it to? The Millers?

Slow down on the Love hate and think about it.

What he does compliments the team so much better than what Favors does. Oh, and Love isn't injured a third of the year every year.
 
When Cleveland was rolling Toronto, Love was averaging 20 per night and shooting 45% from three. He is still a huge weapon and an elite rebounder.
 
green said:
Love would open up the floor offensively. His three point shooting would make Hayward, Exum, Gobert and Hood much, much better. It would open up the floor. Our pick and rolls with Exum and Gobert would be deadly.
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Lyles will do the same thing and we can keep Favors.
 
Here's the biggest reason to do this:

The Jazz would actually be interesting. They could compete for the #3 spot in the west with LA. Maybe #2 depending on what SA does.

I mean, who would want that? Oh, and they don't lose any of their important players. We'd still have Exum, Hood, Hayward, Gobert and Lyles. Lyles learns to be a stretch four. Hood's ceiling is probably Batum. Exum gets to play behind a very good PG.

And the Jazz would be interesting to watch. I mean, who wants that? Nah, let's bake the cake and compete for an 8th seed with Favors. No thanks.
 
I don't understand the Batum love... KOC is that you? Can Batum shoot and I've just missed it? I know he was banged up in the playoffs but he's been in a 3 yr shooting slump. 15mil/per? No thanks. If he's the best option in FA then I say we give a shot to one of our 3 second round picks.
 
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