Baton Rouge Police Killing a 37-year-old black man at point blank range

[Saint Cy of JFC]

So I got pulled over the other day for a bad brake light. I carry on my right hip. My wallet with my driver's license is in back right pocket. I had no idea why I was getting pulled over. I waited until the officer for to my window before doing anything other than window down. The officer asked for my DL. I explained I was carrying and the relation wallet and explained that he wouldn't be able to get to it very easily with me sitting. He simply asked me to slowly get out of the vehicle. I did, and he retrieved my handgun. The traffic stop continued like normal and at the end, he returned my gun. I'm still alive.
Now, I'm a white dude in a white area. I was also taught to treat others with respect. What is the difference between my situation and this one in Baton Rouge? I listened to the cop and treated him with respect. Could it be that simple?

Is lack of respect a reason to get murdered? Are cops Scarface?

 

[Tom Pitt]

If you are not man enough to watch here is what happened. Police tackles the guy behind a car. The man is clearly struggling. In supine position one officer has left arm secured. Right arm is struggling an appears to be reaching in to his pocket or wasteband. Cop on his right arm yells he's got a gun (which he was presumably reaching for). Cop on right side attempts to secure the firearm while cop on left side shoots him in the head. Homicide recovered a gun on him after shot. ("Was planted" )

I do not get the knee jerk reaction to a obscured video. I will wait for police an internal affair investigation to make my judgement.

But the part I don't understand is even if this guy was reaching for his gun, they shot him 2 times, waited like 3-4 seconds and then shoot him 4 more times. What the hell was that sh**?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

This completely misses the point he made. Which is super funny because he actually has one for once.

Yeah, I get his point. If we pay them more, better people will do the job. It will also pay people who cant do the job more money.

IDK what cops get paid, I would assume like 50K a year? If we raised it to 70K a year, is the job really attracting that many better people? I doubt it. The personality profile of someone who wants to be a cop will largely be the same. And being a cop, for the most part (especially depending on where you serve), is an easy *** job.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

But the part I don't understand is even if this guy was reaching for his gun, they shot him 2 times, waited like 3-4 seconds and then shoot him 4 more times. What the hell was that sh**?

IDK, I would guess when you shoot a dude who has a gun your fight or flight instincts kick in because IDK if someone shot me and I had a gun, I'd probably shoot them back. I would assume that was the instinctual response the cop took. He knew he ****ed up, but would he rather **** up and be alive, or **** up and get killed? Hopefully he goes to jail.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Yeah cops really deserve pay raises for their recent performance. Cops are right now an equivalent of Raja Bell's last season in Utah.

But this is the result not a symptom of the disease (underfunding).

You pay people like **** you're going to get ****. The same concept could be applied to our armed forces today. In large part, the majority of these guys are people who come from desperate situations, without college degrees, and couldn't do anything else. This isn't my political agenda but simple "looking at the demographics" of our armed forces

It's the same reason why our best athletes aren't doing swimming or soccer, but in the sports that really pay.

I hear the same crap, "well if teachers want more money then show me better results!"

How? By receiving less funding? By having fewer resources? By having less control? By having more micromanagement?

To me and other state employees the problem and solution is obvious. I ask those of you in this forum to put your political agendas aside and listen to those along the front lines.

In Utah, a starting teacher makes $30k. After 25+ years and a master's a teacher can hope to make $50-60k. Police officers salaries are very similar. The avg salary for a bachelor's degree in Utah is $45k. The avg starting salary in Utah for someone with a master's is $60k. So who in the right mind would would be wiling to take a 1/3rd pay cut? Why work 25 years and pay for your own master's when you'll hope to top out at what most are starting at?

Again, you pay public employees like **** don't expect to get the cream of the crop candidates.

To me and others at my school who have discussed this very issue at length, this is what's affecting our police officers around the country. Race? Of course it's a contributing factor. But the result of underfunding has resulted in overburdened and under compensated public employees. The symptom? Lower quality and quantity of candidates.

Why?

Ask yourself, would you want to be a teacher or cop today? Making a whole $30k and dealing with the **** they have to deal with? Why not go into sales and make 6 digits and not have to deal with ****?

 

[Gameface]

That's why I think there needs to be standard protocols for police/civilian interactions. Stuff that the police definitely know and that is taught in schools and a required part of driver's license testing. So that the public knows what their required actions are when given specific commands from the police. I think it's also important that all police instructions are given clearly as either legally required actions or voluntary. For instance, you are not always required to exit your vehicle if a police officer asks you to, but sometimes you are, and they are going to give you the same instruction either way. Same for questioning, generally you don't have to answer any questions. For instance, if I get pulled over for speeding and the officer asks me where I'm headed my response is "With all due respect, officer, I do not wish to discuss my itinerary." Same if asked why I think I got pulled over "Officer, I choose not to speculate." If asked to search my vehicle "Officer, as a matter of principle I do not volunteer to have my private property searched."

 

[Boris]

But the part I don't understand is even if this guy was reaching for his gun, they shot him 2 times, waited like 3-4 seconds and then shoot him 4 more times. What the hell was that sh**?

You have the coroners report or smth?

The executing officer CLEARLY hesitates to shoot this punk, giving him one last chance to stop resisting an pulling his gun out.

But yeah **** the police because shocking video

 

[Boris]

But this is the result not a symptom of the disease (underfunding).

You pay people like **** you're going to get ****. The same concept could be applied to our armed forces today. In large part, the majority of these guys are people who come from desperate situations, without college degrees, and couldn't do anything else. This isn't my political agenda but simple "looking at the demographics" of our armed forces

It's the same reason why our best athletes aren't doing swimming or soccer, but in the sports that really pay.

I hear the same crap, "well if teachers want more money then show me better results!"

How? By receiving less funding? By having fewer resources? By having less control? By having more micromanagement?

To me and other state employees the problem and solution is obvious. I ask those of you in this forum to put your political agendas aside and listen to those along the front lines.

In Utah, a starting teacher makes $30k. After 25+ years and a master's a teacher can hope to make $50-60k. Police officers salaries are very similar. The avg salary for a bachelor's degree in Utah is $45k. The avg starting salary in Utah for someone with a master's is $60k. So who in the right mind would would be wiling to take a 1/3rd pay cut? Why work 25 years and pay for your own master's when you'll hope to top out at what most are starting at?

Again, you pay public employees like **** don't expect to get the cream of the crop candidates.

To me and others at my school who have discussed this very issue at length, this is what's affecting our police officers around the country. Race? Of course it's a contributing factor. But the result of underfunding has resulted in overburdened and under compensated public employees. The symptom? Lower quality and quantity of candidates.

Why?

Ask yourself, would you want to be a teacher or cop today? Making a whole $30k and dealing with the **** they have to deal with? Why not go into sales and make 6 digits and not have to deal with ****?

That is why I support vouchers and private schools. Just like back East, people are willing to pay for good education for there children. We should have never vetoed the Utah voucher referendum. Give every child the $8000 an let there parents pick up the rest the tab to send children to the best schools with the best teachers. Who knows maybe a $14000 school can hire all PH.D. teachers making $150,000 per year.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

But this is the result not a symptom of the disease (underfunding).

You pay people like **** you're going to get ****. The same concept could be applied to our armed forces today. In large part, the majority of these guys are people who come from desperate situations, without college degrees, and couldn't do anything else. This isn't my political agenda but simple "looking at the demographics" of our armed forces

It's the same reason why our best athletes aren't doing swimming or soccer, but in the sports that really pay.

I hear the same crap, "well if teachers want more money then show me better results!"

How? By receiving less funding? By having fewer resources? By having less control? By having more micromanagement?

To me and other state employees the problem and solution is obvious. I ask those of you in this forum to put your political agendas aside and listen to those along the front lines.

In Utah, a starting teacher makes $30k. After 25+ years and a master's a teacher can hope to make $50-60k. Police officers salaries are very similar. The avg salary for a bachelor's degree in Utah is $45k. The avg starting salary in Utah for someone with a master's is $60k. So who in the right mind would would be wiling to take a 1/3rd pay cut? Why work 25 years and pay for your own master's when you'll hope to top out at what most are starting at?

Again, you pay public employees like **** don't expect to get the cream of the crop candidates.

To me and others at my school who have discussed this very issue at length, this is what's affecting our police officers around the country. Race? Of course it's a contributing factor. But the result of underfunding has resulted in overburdened and under compensated public employees. The symptom? Lower quality and quantity of candidates.

Why?

I would assume if you are getting your masters to become a teacher it's because you love teaching/really want to be a teacher.

Ask yourself, would you want to be a teacher or cop today? Making a whole $30k and dealing with the **** they have to deal with? Why not go into sales and make 6 digits and not have to deal with ****?

The median cop salary is 52K a year, I looked it up.

 

[bigb]

Is lack of respect a reason to get murdered? Are cops Scarface?

Of course not.
If you trwat someone with respect in your life, even someone who you don't like, are you more or less likely to get into an altercation with them? And then what are the odds it escalates from there?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Of course not.
If you trwat someone with respect in your life, even someone who you don't like, are you more or less likely to get into an altercation with them? And then what are the odds it escalates from there?

Of course, but the poor black areas of cities usually have very negative relations with cops that have heavy disrespect on both sides. I think cops should take more responsibility for fostering positive interactions within their communities.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

That's why I think there needs to be standard protocols for police/civilian interactions. Stuff that the police definitely know and that is taught in schools and a required part of driver's license testing. So that the public knows what their required actions are when given specific commands from the police. I think it's also important that all police instructions are given clearly as either legally required actions or voluntary. For instance, you are not always required to exit your vehicle if a police officer asks you to, but sometimes you are, and they are going to give you the same instruction either way. Same for questioning, generally you don't have to answer any questions. For instance, if I get pulled over for speeding and the officer asks me where I'm headed my response is "With all due respect, officer, I do not wish to discuss my itinerary." Same if asked why I think I got pulled over "Officer, I choose not to speculate." If asked to search my vehicle "Officer, as a matter of principle I do not volunteer to have my private property searched."

Yeah but you know cops are POS who abuse power. You refuse to do something they ask (even though it's part of your lawful right) they will keep pushing and threaten you and make you feel like you have no choice.