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We seriously need to revisit Burks at the backup PG

Hoping it's for no more than 10mpg with Dante getting the rest, I can just see other teams pressing him into turnovers.

But, with the emergence of Ingles, and Hood & JJ being on roster it's hard to think of where else he could get minutes.
 
Hill(30)/Exum (10)/Burks (8)
Hood (28)/ Burks (12)/JJ (8)
Hayward (30)/ Ingles (18)
Favors (20)/ Lyles (20)/ Diaw (8)
Gobert (33)/ Favors (8)/ Diaw (7)


Only players underplayed minute-wise are Ingles & JJ, but Joe is likely to swipe minutes from Hood or Lyles or Fav. This rotation is 11 deep though, hard to say how we shrink it down to 9 other than taking out Dante and either JJ or Diaw
 
My 2 cents

Mack - I am confused how all of a sudden Mack is getting DNP's when he was getting a lot of burn earlier. I understand injuries but Neto was getting nothing and now he is.

Mack is a turn over machine. He doesn't make the right pass often but he is a decent scoring guard. His floater is unstoppable but he doesn't elicit a lot of confidence when he shoots.

Defensively he is OK.

Neto - I have been a fan of and is just a solid player. Doesn't make a ton of mistakes but he is an over dribbler. I am surprised his 3 isn't falling better.

Defensively he is better then Mack but to get more playing time he needs to develop the annoying defense of a Barera or dellavedova.

Exum - I think will see spit minutes the rest of the season. I think the tendonitis is a deal that the jazz are concerned with. I agree he needs time on the court to get better but I would like to see Hill spending some time with him explaining and pointing out game nuances.

Defensively he has been up and down. I have always said it is about desire and he was getting after it at first then his knee bothered him then he came back tentative.

Exum needs to be all about confidence.

On a side note he makes enough money he should go to a dermatologist to get his acne taken care of, it is hard to taking serious when he looks 16.

Burks - is a conundrum for me. He has a ton of talent but he just doesn't seem to understand what the team is doing. I think he could do as well as the afore mentioned players playing back up to Hill. Just let Ingles or JJ initiate the offense and let Burks cut and attack the basket.

I think Burks could do what JJ does in ISO situtions.

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Saint Cy of JFC said:
No, the stats reflect it too. He shoots the least and turns it over the least. He by far plays fundamentally much more sound on both ends.

What are you seeing?

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I see him getting man handled when trying to d up, here is hoping he gets us something valuable via a trade. He just can't hack it for us or perhaps in the NBA. He can't score as well as Mack and for what it's worth he isn't as talented as Shelvin either.

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UtahJazz32 said:
I see him getting man handled when trying to d up, here is hoping he gets us something valuable via a trade. You just can't hack it for us or perhaps in the NBA

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So how is that a head scratcher? He plays great D, he is just small so people can shoot over him. You know what a head scratcher is?

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Our defensive rating is much better with Neto than Mack or Exum. Neto doesn't allow as much uncontested penetration and the team turns it over less with him on the court. Yes, he gets scored on but someone trying to score over Neto is still a harder shot than the constant fouling of Exum and free penetration both Exum/Mack give up.

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Saint Cy of JFC said:
So how is that a head scratcher? He plays great D, he is just small so people can shoot over him. You know what a head scratcher is?

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I play basketball and I am slightly an undersized PG for the record there are smaller pgs in the NBA that play tenacious d to make up for being shot over but so many people on here have this belief that Neto is so good but he isn't , he is a bench warmer and a scrub. Shelvin was brought here proving that management also thought he couldn't hack it. So tell me about his ppg and his asts stats ? He has dnps in his boxscore for a reason. Trade him the team will be better off

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Bawse Dawg said:
Bummer.

Well I guess I understand the decision but I don't think Exum will ever improve without in game minutes. Oh well.
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Players can improve their skills way more outside of games. They amount of time they spend not playing NBA games is way way way more than the time they spend playing NBA games.
 
UtahJazz32 said:
I play basketball and I am slightly an undersized PG for the record there are smaller pgs in the NBA that play tenacious d to make up for being shot over but so many people on here have this belief that Neto is so good but he isn't , he is a bench warmer and a scrub. Shelvin was brought here proving that management also thought he couldn't hack it. So tell me about his ppg and his asts stats ? He has dnps in his boxscore for a reason. Trade him the team will be better off

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Yeah but the stats clearly show we are better with Neto on the court than Mack or Exum. The eye test also confirms the stats IMO. Also, for someone who claims to play basketball you dont seem to get the concept of mental errors and how coaches dont like playing players that make a lot of mental errors.

And it was always going to be the case that the return of Burks was going to lessen the need for Mack's limited ability to create his own shot. It kind of felt like a necessary thing before Burks, but I think Quin realizes that our backup PG just needs to not **** stuff up more than anything else.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Yeah but the stats clearly show we are better with Neto on the court than Mack or Exum. The eye test also confirms the stats IMO. Also, for someone who claims to play basketball you dont seem to get the concept of mental errors and how coaches dont like playing players that make a lot of mental errors.
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Your theory is weaker then your hands on experience I take it. When hill went down we needed contributions from our other pgs but didn't get it. I'm not coming down on Neto to say it's all his fault but for how many of you glorify his game on here you would think he would have contributed more.

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UtahJazz32 said:
My theory is actually a better interpretation of Neto's stats you say he is more efficient I say he sucks

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https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/n/netora01/on-off/2017 <---- Neto's On/Off stats

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/exumda01/on-off/2017 <---- Exum's On/Off stats

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/macksh01/on-off/2017 <---- Mack's On/Off stats

Let me be clear, I think all 3 players "suck", but I'm completely convinced Neto knows how to get out of his own way and let the team succeed. Mack makes a ton of bonehead decisions on the basketball court and can't stay infront of anyone and Exum just doesnt know how to play basketball and can't hit an open 3.

You seem to be hung up on the fact that opposing team's really try to bully Neto and score on him. That is a thing and I get why you focus on it so much. I did too at first. It would bother me that Neto seemed to get score on right away when he checked in and get "exposed". The reality though is the team fares much better defensively with Neto. He pressures the ball better and actually keeps opposing ball-handlers in front of him.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/n/netora01/on-off/2017 <---- Neto's On/Off stats

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/exumda01/on-off/2017 <---- Exum's On/Off stats

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/macksh01/on-off/2017 <---- Mack's On/Off stats

Let me be clear, I think all 3 players "suck", but I'm completely convinced Neto knows how to get out of his own way and let the team succeed. Mack makes a ton of bonehead decisions on the basketball court and can't stay infront of anyone and Exum just doesnt know how to play basketball and can't hit an open 3.

You seem to be hung up on the fact that opposing team's really try to bully Neto and score on him. That is a thing and I get why you focus on it so much. I did too at first. It would bother me that Neto seemed to get score on right away when he checked in and get "exposed". The reality though is the team fares much better defensively with Neto. He pressures the ball better and actually keeps opposing ball-handlers in front of him.
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Please don't get me wrong stats are key but it seems as though Neto doesn't fit our style or our team's chemistry. We play long tall lanky bodies out there and it aids us with help defense and such Exum and Mack have bigger bodies and length. I just don't think Neto has it but in the d league he is perfect. Would have liked to see Neto produce like Cotton did for us.

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UtahJazz32 said:
Please don't get me wrong stats are key but it seems as though Neto doesn't fit our style or our team's chemistry. We play long tall lanky bodies out there and it aids us with help defense and such Exum and Mack have bigger bodies and length. I just don't think Neto has it but in the d league he is perfect. Would have liked to see Neto produce like Cotton did for us.

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Yeah, I'm sorry but you are providing no compelling argument for Mack or Exum. What does our team do better with them in the game? Are Mack's constant turnovers and mental lapses defensively worth someone who can play better post defense against PGs? Are Exum's few (very few as of late) bright moments worth the massive amounts of disrespect the opposing team pays to his shot or his ability to go left?
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Yeah, I'm sorry but you are providing no compelling argument for Mack or Exum. What does our team do better with them in the game? Are Mack's constant turnovers and mental lapses defensively worth someone who can play better post defense against PGs? Are Exum's few (very few as of late) bright moments worth the massive amounts of disrespect the opposing team pays to his shot or his ability to go left?
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Let me put it in laymen's terms so both our brains don't burst. I think we are sort of saying the same thing just differently. Behind Hill we have a back up PG issue and their names are Mack, Neto and Exum. Though I see and know Mack has more skill in talent his game is more careless then Neto. Neto is safer but doesn't produce . Exum well, here is hoping we didn't waste such a high pick.

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UtahJazz32 said:
Let me put it in laymen's terms so both our brains don't burst. I think we are sort of saying the same thing just differently. Behind Hill we have a back up PG issue and their names are Mack, Neto and Exum. Though I see and know Mack has more skill in talent his game is more careless then Neto. Neto is safer but doesn't produce . Exum well, here is hoping we didn't waste such a high pick.

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So, back to the original point that you started arguing me about: You agree Neto makes less mistakes?
 
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