RIAA wants $22,500 per song

[Chad Feldheimer]

Do federal judges have the power to reduce jury awards in copyright-infringement cases?

The Obama administration and the Recording Industry Association of America don’t think so. They argued that point Monday before a three-judge panel of the 1st U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Boston, which has released a 41-minute audio recording (.mp3) of the hearing.

They were urging the circuit to reinstate a $675,000 file sharing verdict that a Boston jury levied against Joel Tenenbaum, the nation’s second defendant to go to trial against the RIAA in an individual file sharing case. U.S. District Judge Nancy Gertner reduced the verdict to $67,500 last year.
Both sides appealed, with Tenenbaum claiming it was still too excessive, and the RIAA and government arguing the reduction was an abuse of judicial power.

The Copyright Act allows damages ranging from $750 an infringement to $150,000.

The RIAA had sued thousands of individuals for file sharing over five years ending last year. Most defendants have settled out of court for a few thousand dollars.

Only two cases have gone to trial. Enormous jury verdicts In both were reduced by the presiding judges.

The outcome of the other case against Jammie Thomas-Rasset is pending.

The significance of the Tenenbaum and Thomas-Rasset cases appears to be minimal in the illicit music-sharing context. The RIAA has abandoned its litigation campaign and instead is working with internet service providers to warn file sharers, or kick them off the internet if they repeatedly engage in online copyright infringement. The RIAA has also successfully lobbied for the Obama administration to seize file sharing websites.

But where the RIAA litigation campaign left off, independent movie makers have picked up. In the last year, they have sued about 130,000 BitTorrent users for downloading and sharing low-budget movies.

The players you’ll hear on the tape include RIAA attorney Paul Clement, who is the former solicitor general; Jeffrey Clair, for the Obama administration; Jason Harrow, a Harvard Law School student, and Harvard professor Charles Nesson, both for Tenenbaum; and Julie Ahrens of the Electronic Frontier Foundation for Tenenbaum.

The circuit panel consists of Judge Sandra Lynch, Judge Juan Torruella and Judge Rogeriee Thompson.

This can only lead iTunes into raising their prices right?

https://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/04/tenenbaum-appeal/

 

[LogGrad98]

Seems reasonable. I mean it is obvious that everyone who file shares would instantly go out and buy the albums in question. Just ignore the fact that after people downloaded Metallica songs from Napster, Metallica's next 2 albums were sold in record numbers. Then after the lawsuits the sales dropped off. Funny, napster big, Metallica sales huge, napster shut down, Metallica sales drop off. Correlation or causation?

 

[Chad Feldheimer]

Seems reasonable. I mean it is obvious that everyone who file shares would instantly go out and buy the albums in question. Just ignore the fact that after people downloaded Metallica songs from Napster, Metallica's next 2 albums were sold in record numbers. Then after the lawsuits the sales dropped off. Funny, napster big, Metallica sales huge, napster shut down, Metallica sales drop off. Correlation or causation?

More irony? Napster founder is or is trying to buy Metallica's record label.

 

[Hantlers]

More irony? Napster founder is or is trying to buy Metallica's record label.

Yeah I got nothin, I just wanted to point out what an idiot you are

 

[Chad Feldheimer]

Yeah I got nothin, I just wanted to point out what an idiot you are

"According to Crawdaddy.com, Napster founder Sean Parker is currently in talks with investors to buy Warner Music Group for around $2.5 Billion Dollars.

WMG is the current home of Metallica’s back catalogue, from 1983’s Kill ‘Em All, all the way to 2008’s Death Magnetic."

 

[Hantlers]

More irony? Napster founder is or is trying to buy Metallica's record label.

"According to Crawdaddy.com, Napster founder Sean Parker is currently in talks with investors to buy Warner Music Group for around $2.5 Billion Dollars.

WMG is the current home of Metallica’s back catalogue, from 1983’s Kill ‘Em All, all the way to 2008’s Death Magnetic."

I'm aware that Napster is trying to buy Metallica's record label. Now read what I have bolded. See if it makes any sense to you. If it does, then you're a lost cause.

 

[LogGrad98]

More irony? Napster founder is or is trying to buy Metallica's record label.

Yeah I got nothin, I just wanted to point out what an idiot you are

Really? Nitpicking grammar? Seriously? You have a lot to learn about Jazz Fanz.


All it would take is one word to fix that sentence, not too tough to see. But if you can't figure out what that word is, then I am afraid I can't help you. You can't fix stupid.

 

[Hantlers]

Really? Nitpicking grammar? Seriously? You have a lot to learn about Jazz Fanz.


All it would take is one word to fix that sentence, not too tough to see. But if you can't figure out what that word is, then I am afraid I can't help you. You can't fix stupid.

I was just being a sarcastic arse. And I've been around Jazzfanz for longer than you have, I was here for the days of Pearl and Tuff Tiger and Kiri.de.carlos.

 

[LogGrad98]

I was just being a sarcastic arse. And I've been around Jazzfanz for longer than you have, I was here for the days of Pearl and Tuff Tiger and Kiri.de.carlos.

Apparently since you borked teh sarcasm meter, you cannot identify sarcasm yourself.



Oh and I remember Pearl and Tiger and Kiri as well. I have been around way longer than I have been seriously active on the board.

 

[candrew]

Seems reasonable. I mean it is obvious that everyone who file shares would instantly go out and buy the albums in question. Just ignore the fact that after people downloaded Metallica songs from Napster, Metallica's next 2 albums were sold in record numbers. Then after the lawsuits the sales dropped off. Funny, napster big, Metallica sales huge, napster shut down, Metallica sales drop off. Correlation or causation?

Well, I can't speak for everyone; but I can tell you that I personally went about 4 years without buying a single CD because of the existence of Napster and Kazaa.

 

[Hantlers]

Apparently since you borked teh sarcasm meter, you cannot identify sarcasm yourself.



Oh and I remember Pearl and Tiger and Kiri as well. I have been around way longer than I have been seriously active on the board.

My apologies good sir. Hopefully this is the start of a good friendship. Or you can rot in hell.

 

[LogGrad98]

My apologies good sir. Hopefully this is the start of a good friendship. Or you can rot in hell.

I believe the former is a distinct possibility. Unfortunately the latter has already been determined.

 

[TroutBum]

iTunes can eat a large bag of roosters. I hate them with the firey core of 10,000 suns. Anything Apple, for that matter, can endure an eternity of thralldom in the pits of Angband.

 

[LogGrad98]

iTunes can eat a large bag of roosters. I hate them with the firey core of 10,000 suns. Anything Apple, for that matter, can endure an eternity of thralldom in the pits of Angband.

Trout, don't hold back. Tell us how you really feel. We can take it.



Oh and I agree by the way.

 

[TroutBum]

Trout, don't hold back. Tell us how you really feel. We can take it.



Oh and I agree by the way.

Seriously. I hooked my ipod upto my computer and it erased all of my songs and put my wife's songs on there. To top it off, all of my songs were on my old computer, so there is no getting them back. Also, my computer is in the shop getting fixed right now, and I need to put a few songs on there for a big race this weekend -- oh, guess what, I can't use someone else's computer to put songs on my ipod.

I F'ING hate them. HATE.

 

[Agoxlea]

iTunes can eat a large bag of roosters. I hate them with the firey core of 10,000 suns. Anything Apple, for that matter, can endure an eternity of thralldom in the pits of Angband.

There needs to be way more people in the world that think this.

 

[Bronco70]

Seriously. I hooked my ipod upto my computer and it erased all of my songs and put my wife's songs on there. To top it off, all of my songs were on my old computer, so there is no getting them back. Also, my computer is in the shop getting fixed right now, and I need to put a few songs on there for a big race this weekend -- oh, guess what, I can't use someone else's computer to put songs on my ipod.

I F'ING hate them. HATE.

Definitely the fault of the ipod, not the user.

 

[The Thriller]

If you downloaded the songs that were on your old computer with Itunes, you should be able to recover them. Just email Itunes and they will assist. This has happened twice with me. One time all the songs on my old computer were lost (due to the HD melting down). I emailed them and within 48 hours they allowed me to redownload everything I had. It took a little while, but at least I got them back!

 

[LogGrad98]

You gotta love a company and a product that hijacks your computer, does **** you don't want it to do, takes over what is your property and then makes you email them to clean up the **** they ****ed up that you never wanted them to mess with anyway.

And now I can't install anti-virus software because it keep erasing iTunes.

 

[YB85]

Seriously. I hooked my ipod upto my computer and it erased all of my songs and put my wife's songs on there. To top it off, all of my songs were on my old computer, so there is no getting them back. Also, my computer is in the shop getting fixed right now, and I need to put a few songs on there for a big race this weekend -- oh, guess what, I can't use someone else's computer to put songs on my ipod.

I F'ING hate them. HATE.

Next time you have your ipod hooked up to your computer, go into the settings and click "Manually manage music and videos". This way, you can keep your Celine Dion songs and not have your wife's music give them the boot.