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Following potential 2017 draftees...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0VSqFJN11A

So can I convince anyone that Utah should take Derrick White now that DX has him projected in the 30's? Super versatile, he's super high BBIQ and he's a legit NBA Athlete..

Awesome player..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5JeuyF760Q

Again, I'll take him on my team anyday. He's old but I'll cosign for him.. which doesn't happen often.. Last year I vouched for Brogdon. I vouched for Norman Powell too...

No way Colorado even plays .500 ball without him, with him they won 20-games.
 
Donovan Mitchell, the best 2-guard in the draft, is signing with an agent.

He's a combo guard, or what's called a non-traditional PG, or what Steve Nash coined "Super-guard" - he's got traces of that... His build is like Baron Davis or Chauncey Billups or Jerryd Bayless..
 
The thing about Bam was, and it was detailed on this board before it ever happened, he wasn't exactly that standard Coach Cal, crown jewel big.. He was stolen last minute away from the clutches of a Carolina school... thats probably why DS4 went to NC State too..

He wasn't Jarrett Allen...

and as the season progressed it was pretty obvious that he's not even Julius Randle...

Ike tho, is simply a whole different monster. There's a considerable age difference too and when u just look at them, Ike is much more "just scratching the surface". Bam does have considerable upside. He's a backup C tho right now I'd have to say.


DX listing Harry Giles as a pure C is a joke btw. Total mischaracterization.

In their breakdown video they're kind of wishy-washy about it. They say he has the feet and movement to guard 4s, and he has the length to guard 5s. On the other hand, they say he's got the frame for a 4, but the skillset of a 5. And they say he's probably going to have to play the 5 in today's NBA. Do you think that's wrong and that he's a pure 4? I haven't watched enough of him to be able to tell. I also don't quite see his huge upside. Or at least I think it's a big longshot that he reaches it.

What would you say his biggest upside is? Someone who can guard 1-5 and be an elite rebounder/finisher with a 17 foot jumper? What do you think his realistic upside is, very good rebounder who can defend the pick and roll and protect the rim in a pinch?
 
In their breakdown video they're kind of wishy-washy about it. They say he has the feet and movement to guard 4s, and he has the length to guard 5s. On the other hand, they say he's got the frame for a 4, but the skillset of a 5. And they say he's probably going to have to play the 5 in today's NBA. Do you think that's wrong and that he's a pure 4? I haven't watched enough of him to be able to tell. I also don't quite see his huge upside. Or at least I think it's a big longshot that he reaches it.

What would you say his biggest upside is? Someone who can guard 1-5 and be an elite rebounder/finisher with a 17 foot jumper? What do you think his realistic upside is, very good rebounder who can defend the pick and roll and protect the rim in a pinch?

I think the whole thing was "We dont know if he will ever be HS mixtape athletic again because of the injuries". Giles is a lot like Favors in that regard. Yes, we know Favors is athletic enough to be a 4 when completely healthy, but the Favors we saw this year is a 5. Can he get back to his previous level? Time will tell.
 
Hypothetical- You're a GM of a team. You're on the clock in the second round. You're considering DJ Wilson, Jordan Bell, Jonah Bolden, Cameron Oliver and Kyle Kuzma who are all available. Who are you picking?
 
Hypothetical- You're a GM of a team. You're on the clock in the second round. You're considering DJ Wilson, Jordan Bell, Jonah Bolden, Cameron Oliver and Kyle Kuzma who are all available. Who are you picking?

Right now, if it were me, I'd go Bolden, then Wilson, then Oliver, then Bell, but I don't know this Ute you guys speak of.
 
Interesting. As of right now I'd be split between DJ Wilson and Jordan Bell. Wilson's versatility and measurables really stand out. Bell may be limited offensively but I can see him becoming an elite NBA defender. He's so explosive athletically. I would have Bolden and Oliver slightly behind those two and then another small gap to Kuzma.
 
Hypothetical- You're a GM of a team. You're on the clock in the second round. You're considering DJ Wilson, Jordan Bell, Jonah Bolden, Cameron Oliver and Kyle Kuzma who are all available. Who are you picking?

Bolden first of those guys. But probably somebody else entirely, I don't like any of them at all.
 
Hypothetical- You're a GM of a team. You're on the clock in the second round. You're considering DJ Wilson, Jordan Bell, Jonah Bolden, Cameron Oliver and Kyle Kuzma who are all available. Who are you picking?

DJ Wilson and it's an easy pick, he's the only one on this list I've got a 1st rd grade on... His game is the most complete of any of those players. He also demonstrated the most improvement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sC9N6VZXkTY
 
In their breakdown video they're kind of wishy-washy about it. They say he has the feet and movement to guard 4s, and he has the length to guard 5s. On the other hand, they say he's got the frame for a 4, but the skillset of a 5. And they say he's probably going to have to play the 5 in today's NBA. Do you think that's wrong and that he's a pure 4? I haven't watched enough of him to be able to tell. I also don't quite see his huge upside. Or at least I think it's a big longshot that he reaches it.

What would you say his biggest upside is? Someone who can guard 1-5 and be an elite rebounder/finisher with a 17 foot jumper? What do you think his realistic upside is, very good rebounder who can defend the pick and roll and protect the rim in a pinch?

We're talking about Giles right? I take umbrage with a particular part of that, the "today's NBA" bit. It's a blanket statement, and if I've learned anything from watching the draft closely for years it's that things for the most part are done on a case-by-case basis, u never know what a team is looking for/thinking.

Giles could play 4 for the Jazz and also backup 5. I think Giles can definitely function as a 4 who also can play backup 5 in spurts, matchup depending.

The bit you've got about his upside is quite off base. He can't guard 1-5 or anywhere close to that so just forget that. His upside is a player defensively who can hedge all the way out to the perimiter, get stuck on an island vs a guard and still put in a good effort.

Offensively he's got a lot of room for improvement. The upside is very real,don't think a few surgeries and a **** season really have curtailed that, I'm certain there's real underlying value. I wouldn't say his upside is as an elite rebounder either, he can be very good.

What he is offensively or what he could be is a player who uses skill and quickness and hand-eye coordination and balance and misdirection to be devastatingly effective. I'd say picture Amir Johnson but plus a bunch of tricks up his sleeve. He's got great basketball instincts. He's nimble, there's not exactly a bunch of players like him. He can handle the rock, he can develop some really advanced combination of moves and fakes and spins and real fancy looking ****, thats effective, he can put a slow footed defender in a blender. He's got nice touch, he's got hook shots in the arsenal, his upside is that of an extremely polished 2-way player.. He's good in small-space "in a phonebooth" thats where his anticipation and hand-eye coordination really shines.

there's no doubt that his stock has taken a hit because teams will look at him as a project, moreso than a player ready to contribute in a year or 2...

He must add strength, when he does the game will change for him. He's a smart kid, I like his chances at finding a niche. (Much of this goes for Ivan Rabb too).

there was one particular defensive sequence that ended with a block that I'm looking for that IMO was his best play of the season and made me question why duke isn't playing him more. I can't find it because duke fans are just concerned with his block vs UNC mainly..
 
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Donovan Mitchell looks more of like a SG than a PG to me.

Weren't there people saying he'd be good insurance against Hill leaving?


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Deng Adel finally cracked DX's Top-100 prospects. He comes in at #96. I sure hope he's there when we pick at #24 or maybe #30 if we're lucky.


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Don't think it really matters because he won't fall to #24 anyways. I think he's a great player. Just more of a shooting guard is all.


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What makes you so sure? College is very different matchup-wise than the NBA.. UL Needed him to play SG so they can put Snider on the floor.

You don't think he could play PG next to Ben Simmons?
 
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