Pursue Kevin Love Around the Draft?

[LoPo]

I started this idea in another thread but thought it might be worthy of it's own thread...

Last year, the Cavs spent $54million because they were so far over the luxury tax. This year, they are around $14million over the tax limit. Repeater tax rate is even higher than the rate they paid last year. If we traded for Kevin Love prior to July 1 (so around the draft), we could save the Cavs a ton of money.

Remember the salary cap is $94million and we have around $14 in cap space:
Kevin Love $21 and maybe a less than million throw in player like Felder
for
Diaw ($7), Hood ($1.4), and a combination of picks (#24 in 2017, #30 in 2017, our pick in 2018, the OKC pick in 2018, 2nd rounders and maybe a bit more).
https://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yawyoyvs

The Cavs would stay under the luxury limit which is massive as they will more than likely exceed it next year. We add a very powerful offensive player to our arsenal to try to keep Hayward. Love isn't perfect, but he fits very nicely next to Gobert. Very, very nicely.


From there, the Cavs will still try to keep rebuilding. Since they would have multiple first rounders from us, they might be able to do the following if they so wanted:

Shumpert, Diaw (non guaranteed for 2018 season), Jefferson, and draft picks for Melo

I know, Melo might not be the best fit for that team, but there has been plenty of speculation about Melo going to Cleveland. The Cavs could just trade Love for Melo after July 1, but there is no guarantee that the Knicks want Love when they want to build around Porzingis. By doing this deal, the Knicks would clear off a ton of cap space since Diaw's contract isn't guaranteed, Jefferson will likely retire and Shumpert only has one year left on his deal (another is a player option but it's doubtful he comes back for that). And they get numerous draft picks from Cleveland. Built around Porzingis instead of Melo, I personally think more free agents would think about going to NY.

So overall - We get Love for pretty much expendable pieces and our space, Cavs get Melo AND avoid luxury repeater and Knicks get draft picks and space for Melo.

Thoughts

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

lol

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Cavs only trade Love for Paul George or Jimmy Butler... may mean that Love is shipped to a third team though as both the Bulls and Pacers would rebuild.

 

[LoPo]

I don't think Cleveland views Love as strongly as y'all do. He went for 8 and 7 in last year's finals which they won. He's playing decently this finals and they are getting blown out. There have been issues and questions with and about him in the time he's been there.

If the Cavs get blown out, and they have been so far, they will make moves. From LeBron's recent comments about Kyrie being the future, I could see Love being dealt. They can't move JR Smith. Shumpert only makes sense getting dumped if they can get a player like Hood to step in. They might pursue Paul George with Love, but there are many saying that won't/can't happen. Butler seems to make some sense, but is that realistic? If you're the Bulls, do you trade Butler for Love? I wouldn't. If you can get an up and comer like Hood with numerous draft picks, it might make some sense. In my opinion, Hood is an upgrade over JR and Shumpert sooner rather than later.

Love is a very special piece that needs the right pieces around him. Even with LBJ and Kyrie, the Cavs are better when Tristan plays well than when Love plays well. If anybody is expendable when the Cavs rebuild inevitably happens, it will be Love.

 

[Quin's Murderface]

I could definitely see Love being available around draft time, but I don't think the Jazz have the assets to get him unless they are facilitating in some way. Those kinds of multi-team trades are always hard to pull off. I definitely think the Cavs are going to shake things up if they get swept.

 

[framer]

I started this idea in another thread but thought it might be worthy of it's own thread...

Last year, the Cavs spent $54million because they were so far over the luxury tax. This year, they are around $14million over the tax limit. Repeater tax rate is even higher than the rate they paid last year. If we traded for Kevin Love prior to July 1 (so around the draft), we could save the Cavs a ton of money.

Remember the salary cap is $94million and we have around $14 in cap space:
Kevin Love $21 and maybe a less than million throw in player like Felder
for
Diaw ($7), Hood ($1.4), and a combination of picks (#24 in 2017, #30 in 2017, our pick in 2018, the OKC pick in 2018, 2nd rounders and maybe a bit more).
https://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yawyoyvs

The Cavs would stay under the luxury limit which is massive as they will more than likely exceed it next year. We add a very powerful offensive player to our arsenal to try to keep Hayward. Love isn't perfect, but he fits very nicely next to Gobert. Very, very nicely.


From there, the Cavs will still try to keep rebuilding. Since they would have multiple first rounders from us, they might be able to do the following if they so wanted:

Shumpert, Diaw (non guaranteed for 2018 season), Jefferson, and draft picks for Melo

I know, Melo might not be the best fit for that team, but there has been plenty of speculation about Melo going to Cleveland. The Cavs could just trade Love for Melo after July 1, but there is no guarantee that the Knicks want Love when they want to build around Porzingis. By doing this deal, the Knicks would clear off a ton of cap space since Diaw's contract isn't guaranteed, Jefferson will likely retire and Shumpert only has one year left on his deal (another is a player option but it's doubtful he comes back for that). And they get numerous draft picks from Cleveland. Built around Porzingis instead of Melo, I personally think more free agents would think about going to NY.

So overall - We get Love for pretty much expendable pieces and our space, Cavs get Melo AND avoid luxury repeater and Knicks get draft picks and space for Melo.

Thoughts

I like it. The big glaring flaw is that they remove Love's salary to get under the cap, then get Melo putting them right back in the same situation. They could probably just swap Love for Melo directly. I imagine New York would be interested in that, simply because I think Love is a better asset than Melo at this point, mainly due to the fact he is making 5 million per year less and has a longer contract. I think Love would be easier to flip for value than Melo.

I still believe in Favors, but if he could be flipped for Love, I would do that in a heartbeat. Love is currently on the contract that we would want to sign Favors to.

 

[LoPo]

I like it. The big glaring flaw is that they remove Love's salary to get under the cap, then get Melo putting them right back in the same situation. They could probably just swap Love for Melo directly. I imagine New York would be interested in that, simply because I think Love is a better asset than Melo at this point, mainly due to the fact he is making 5 million per year less and has a longer contract. I think Love would be easier to flip for value than Melo.

I still believe in Favors, but if he could be flipped for Love, I would do that in a heartbeat. Love is currently on the contract that we would want to sign Favors to.

I just read a report that said NY is not interested in Love. I will try to find it.

My idea has Cleveland avoiding the luxury this year. By doing so, they avoid a tax bill that would be over $30 million. This trade saves them $40 million I believe. So they get assets, Hood, and save that money.

My Cle/NY idea would happen in the new cycle starting July 1. So Cleveland would be in the luxury penalty 2016 NOT 2017 but likely back again 2018 if they got Melo.

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[Saint Cy of JFC]

I just read a report that said NY is not interested in Love. I will try to find it.

My idea has Cleveland avoiding the luxury this year. By doing so, they avoid a tax bill that would be over $30 million. This trade saves them $40 million I believe. So they get assets, Hood, and save that money.

My Cle/NY idea would happen in the new cycle starting July 1. So Cleveland would be in the luxury penalty 2016 NOT 2017 but likely back again 2018 if they got Melo.

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If Cleveland makes any deal just to avoid the LT, Lebron is either demanding a trade or leaving in UFA in 2018.

 

[framer]

I just read a report that said NY is not interested in Love. I will try to find it.

My idea has Cleveland avoiding the luxury this year. By doing so, they avoid a tax bill that would be over $30 million. This trade saves them $40 million I believe. So they get assets, Hood, and save that money.

My Cle/NY idea would happen in the new cycle starting July 1. So Cleveland would be in the luxury penalty 2016 NOT 2017 but likely back again 2018 if they got Melo.

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That makes sense, but you would have to be a complete idiot to not change out Melo for Love if you got the opportunity, even if you are just treating them as straight assets rather than players. Especially since Melo would probably do that and you rid yourself of him and his no trade clause. You can then shuffle off Love either immediately or wait a bit. He would look plenty sexy next to their big dude for a year or so.

 

[framer]

If Cleveland makes any deal just to avoid the LT, Lebron is either demanding a trade or leaving in UFA in 2018.

I think in this scenario Cleveland does this with the plan of acquiring Melo. shedding the extra 40 million is just a side benefit. In real terms their payroll would be even higher next year, especially if they picked up assets from us.

I just don't see a real scenario where dealing with us is their best option.

 

[LoPo]

If Cleveland makes any deal just to avoid the LT, Lebron is either demanding a trade or leaving in UFA in 2018.

Avoiding the luxury tax is just the icing on the cake. They get savings + Hood, and probably 3 first rounders. Hypothetically, they could add Melo, plus an asset like a pick or Hood and avoid the luxury. The Cavs and Knicks don't have the right fit to trade just with each other. It was speculated this morning here with a NY perspective: https://nypost.com/2017/06/07/nba-experts-carmelo-anthony-not-what-the-cavaliers-need/ Overall, NY probably doesn't want Love because they want a youth movement. Cavs don't have picks or any young, promising players. Hood and maybe even Lyles are young and promising, as are 3 first round picks.

 

[David Stern]

I'm cool with trading Lyles/Hood and a vet like Favors or Burks for Kevin Love. I'd give each of them one of our draft picks as well to get it done. If we get Love, I would be shocked to see Hayward leave.

 

[Joncolton]

The only way Cleveland does that trade is if Lebron approves it. Otherwise, they risk pissing off the guy who fired their last coach. Seems like a real long shot, if the big thing we are offering Cleveland is avoiding the luxury tax and first rounders. Lebron (and the Cavs) are in WIN-NOW mode. You won't get an All-Star like Love unless, they feel like you are giving them another All-Star who is a better fit and will help get them past the Warriors next season.

The only crazy Jazz trades that make sense for our roster, and the objective of getting Gordon Hayward back are the ones that involve Damian Lillard and Goran Dragic.

 

[LoPo]

I agree that this trade a stretch, but I'm using process of elimination here.

IF, the Cavs get under the luxury before July 1, they would have the option to add a full midlevel player for next season.

IF, the Cavs can use the assets we give to get Melo, they replace Love with Melo.

IF, they get Melo and have the full midlevel, it is conceivable that they convince Chris Paul to come to Cleveland. He has said he wants to play with Melo and wants to win a title.

Paul
Kyrie, JR
LeBron
Melo
Tristan

Interesting season next year...



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[infection]

Burks
Lyles
Tomic
Diaw

For

Love
Korver
Deron
Jobu

 

[KqWIN]

I think Love would be a great fit...but the Jazz don't have many players that would interest CLE. Hood and Favors might not even make the closing lineup for the Cavs...though the same can be said for Love.

Drat picks and developing players would have no value to the Cavs.

 

[David Stern]

I think Love would be a great fit...but the Jazz don't have many players that would interest CLE. Hood and Favors might not even make the closing lineup for the Cavs...though the same can be said for Love.

Drat picks and developing players would have no value to the Cavs.

I think the point is that there are other teams like Chicago and New York who have players that LeBron will want, but Cleveland doesn't have anything to trade them. We just help facilitate it

 

[sepanol]

I would be down Favors + 24 + Burks and 1 more pick.
But im not sure they would accept

 

[green]

The problem is, we have nothing a contending team would want.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I would be down Favors + 24 + Burks and 1 more pick.
But im not sure they would accept

I'm sure they wouldn't.