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You do almost whatever it takes to get Hayward, Lillard, and Gobert on the Jazz. You take ALL of the bad contracts in need be. You pay luxury tax out the nose in the short term. At that point you have those 3 under contract for 4 years. You sort the other stuff out over the course of the next two seasons and add pieces when you can, and see if you can make lemonade out of those bad contracts.
 
framer said:
You do almost whatever it takes to get Hayward, Lillard, and Gobert on the Jazz. You take ALL of the bad contracts in need be. You pay luxury tax out the nose in the short term. At that point you have those 3 under contract for 4 years. You sort the other stuff out over the course of the next two seasons and add pieces when you can, and see if you can make lemonade out of those bad contracts.
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I agree with this. The only problem is that all of their bad contracts would be on the books for 3/4 yrs that we would have our big 3 locked up. We'd be relying on any remaining assets (likely few/none), any remaining draft picks (likely few/late 1st's, 2nd's), FA bargains/veterans looking for a ring (if even financially possible), & the other players acquired in the trade to round out the team.

Due to our lack of high-end assets, I would guess that the deal would have to be some along the lines of:

Hood/Exum/Favors/Lyles/24/30/future 1st(s) for Lillard + 2 of their bad contracts (Hill/Ingles/Diaw are gone, JJ/Burks may have to be moved to make it work financially).

I doubt we would come anywhere near the best offer (especially if there's an inner-divisional tax) if he were to actually be made available, but you do it without hesitation if it were possible.
 
r_u_s_t_b_u_c_k_e_t said:
Really? Cousins was traded for Buddy Hield and spare parts. Favors plus Exum plus anything plus we help their cap situation beats that by a mile. And the Blazers already have a perfect Lillard replacement: McCollum.
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Cousins wasn't locked up for 4 yrs tho & had/has more concerns/risk surrounding him than Lillard. Also, SAC inexplicably values Hield much higher than most/all so obviously they view the return more favorably. Unless POR inexplicably over-values one of our assets, the Cousins trade isn't really comparable.
 
karl malone said:
I agree with this. The only problem is that all of their bad contracts would be on the books for 3/4 yrs that we would have our big 3 locked up. We'd be relying on any remaining assets (likely few/none), any remaining draft picks (likely few/late 1st's, 2nd's), FA bargains/veterans looking for a ring (if even financially possible), & the other players acquired in the trade to round out the team.

Due to our lack of high-end assets, I would guess that the deal would have to be some along the lines of:

Hood/Exum/Favors/Lyles/24/30/future 1st(s) for Lillard + 2 of their bad contracts (Hill/Ingles/Diaw are gone, JJ/Burks may have to be moved to make it work financially).

I doubt we would come anywhere near the best offer (especially if there's an inner-divisional tax) if he were to actually be made available, but you do it without hesitation if it were possible.
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Actually, I don't know if they WOULD get a better offer than that. I mean they COULD get a high draft pick this year from a bottom feeder this year, but none of those teams would be adding Lillard as a finishing piece. and won't mortgage the farm for one all star, especially if they are rebuilding during the Lebron, GSW era. Lillard is good, really good, but he is a secondary all-star, right about on Haywards level. Are the Lakers going to give up a ton of assets for him? They like their chances of snagging players in free agency. Washington and OKC? Already have top flight point guards. Boston? Has assets, but isn't going to sacrifice flexibility by taking on huge contracts, plus they already have IT. Anyone else with young talent going to give that up to add Lillard to show their stuff against the GSW? Possibly, but perhaps not.

Of course it could be the best offer and they would tell us to pound sand because we are in their division.
 
mellow said:
Did you hear Locke yesterday say that he knows the ownership has given Dennis Lindsey a green light to go into the luxury tax to get Lillard. He quickly followed up by saying there is no-way portland is letting go of Lillard, but if it ever became a possibility Lindsey could do it.

Locke and and Spence Checketts spent a few moments trying to come up with a trade scenario, and quickly gave up. Jazz don't have enough right now.
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Locke was saying that DL has to be on the phone today(after Lillard made his comment about Utah) and was asking Checketts about possibly trading for him as if he thought it was a possibility. Checketts straightened him out, but Locke was pretty excited about it for a minute there.
 
r_u_s_t_b_u_c_k_e_t said:
Really? Cousins was traded for Buddy Hield and spare parts. Favors plus Exum plus anything plus we help their cap situation beats that by a mile. And the Blazers already have a perfect Lillard replacement: McCollum.
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Yep, really.

Lillard is signed for multiple years and doesn't have the issues Cousins does. Bad comparison.
 
Hayward is a level 2 all star. Most are. Curry, LeBron, Durant are level 1 all stars. Lillard is a level 1.5, and on a team with Hayward and Gobert? He'd look even better.
 
framer said:
Actually, I don't know if they WOULD get a better offer than that. I mean they COULD get a high draft pick this year from a bottom feeder this year, but none of those teams would be adding Lillard as a finishing piece. and won't mortgage the farm for one all star, especially if they are rebuilding during the Lebron, GSW era. Lillard is good, really good, but he is a secondary all-star, right about on Haywards level. Are the Lakers going to give up a ton of assets for him? They like their chances of snagging players in free agency. Washington and OKC? Already have top flight point guards. Boston? Has assets, but isn't going to sacrifice flexibility by taking on huge contracts, plus they already have IT. Anyone else with young talent going to give that up to add Lillard to show their stuff against the GSW? Possibly, but perhaps not.

Of course it could be the best offer and they would tell us to pound sand because we are in their division.
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PHI could likely outbid us without even touching Embiid/Simmons. Some combination #3/LAL 2018/Saric/Okafor/Covington/other future picks would be more valuable to a rebuilding team than anything we can offer (without including GH/RG).

I believe PHI would also have the ability to absorb salary as well, which is something I don't see POR valuing much (unless it's necessary in order for them to lock up CJ long-term) as they would be focused on accumulating high-end talent on their rookie deals rather than creating/maintaining financial flexibility.
 
green said:
Hayward is a level 2 all star. Most are. Curry, LeBron, Durant are level 1 all stars. Lillard is a level 1.5, and on a team with Hayward and Gobert? He'd look even better.
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Hayward 2 and Lillard 1.5????

Compare their offensive vs. defensive numbers.

Please and thank you.
 
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