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DL 'starting' to look like a genius ....

Et tu Brute

Et tu Brute

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... in terms of drafting.
  • So he scores big with Gobert, Mitchell.
  • He looks to have chosen correctly in 2014 - Hood is a rotational player/starter and Exum is probably the only guy with all-star potential from his draft outside the top 4 picks (I mean I like Dinwiddie as much as the next guy though, Lavine meh).
  • Lyles is becoming the player most on here expected/wanted.
  • And before I talk too soon - Burke is starting to get it together. There are some adjustments that he has made - attitude wise in particular (has a silky smooth game which he is now value adding).
  • Further, DL picked up Hill (for a late lottery pick) at a time in his career where he blossomed (career year).
His overall judgment appears sound. But, it is a shame or perhaps even a concern that not all these players find their 'calling' here.

BUT - decisions like Rubio seem ludicrous (as Stitch notes). Maybe Hayward was his blindspot.
 
Can't underestimate the haircut with respect to Burke's improvement. Huge add on to his game.

In all seriousness, I love DL and think he is an elite GM. The only moves that I patently disagreed with was drafting Trey Burke (I am on record having preferred CJ McCollum), 2) acquiring Rubio - I wasn't sure the trade made sense at the time, even to appease Gordo, and 3) letting Millsap walk for nothing (though I wonder what his market was at the deadline).

Everything else - even the George Hill trade, the Hayward fiasco, etc. - I thought were great moves. It didn't work out ideally with Hill, but that's because the signing was so effective that he completely outperformed his perceived value (minus injuries). Have to applaud DL's decisions for their expected outcomes at the time the deal is made, not how things eventually work out due to circumstances beyond his control.
 
But mismanaging the Hayward sitiuation is a bad black eye. The fact is he didn’t do everything he could to keep him here. If building around Hayward was the plan (it was). They should have given him the max without a player option. Instead he decided to be a cheap *** and it bit him.

Besides that (and rubio) mess he has drafted well, and I do like the guy. He gives great interviews, and it’s obvious that he is very smart. Bottom line though he needs to get this team straightened out.
 
This is hilarious about Burke, When Trey was a "bust" everyone excused Dennis because Trey was who Corbin wanted, not Lindsey, Dennis was in his first year and KOC likely had more say, etc.

Furthermore. If Burke and Lyles are now developing under different orgs, what does that say about Quin and his staff, who are supposed to be player development gurus.

As for Hill, yes he had a career year. It was great the Jazz put him in that position. But many trades are made with a nee contract/extension agreement as part of the deal. Major fail for Lindsey not to have done that. He then had to go into panic mode and add Rubio as a foolish attempt to keep Hayward, wasting yet another first round pick on a PG.
 
@Utesnjazz
The Hayward RFA situation was on KOC not Lindsey. And IIRC, they offered Gordon the same money as Favors on an extension and he rejected it. Hayward them went out and had an underwhelming year. There were quite a few on this board who said he was worth $8-10m and quite a few who voiced loud disagreement over Utah matching the max offer sheet.
Turns out Hayward was worth the money. But it could have gone the other way, too like Harrison Barnes.
 
Jack Strop said:
@Utesnjazz
The Hayward RFA situation was on KOC not Lindsey. And IIRC, they offered Gordon the same money as Favors on an extension and he rejected it. Hayward them went out and had an underwhelming year. There were quite a few on this board who said he was worth $8-10m and quite a few who voiced loud disagreement over Utah matching the max offer sheet.
Turns out Hayward was worth the money. But it could have gone the other way, too like Harrison Barnes.
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Most out here don't understand the salary cap and what was about to happen. We should have just given him the 4 year max rather than making him hunt down an offer sheet. It was obvious to those that understood what was happening to the cap that he'd get a max or close enough to it that making him hunt it down would be a mistake.

The Rubio trade was a mistake, but there were circumstances. Overall I really like DL, but I hope he takes a few more risks going forward now that we don't have Gordon's FA hanging over our heads.
 
First off, hi Dennis. Good to see you posting here.

I do think Lindsey is a very good drafter. Rubio was CYA. Im pretty sure the media would have killed Lindsey if he had not grabbed a pg prior to Hayward leaving.
 
Utesnjazz said:
But mismanaging the Hayward sitiuation is a bad black eye. The fact is he didn’t do everything he could to keep him here. If building around Hayward was the plan (it was). They should have given him the max without a player option. Instead he decided to be a cheap *** and it bit him.

Besides that (and rubio) mess he has drafted well, and I do like the guy. He gives great interviews, and it’s obvious that he is very smart. Bottom line though he needs to get this team straightened out.
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It wasn't DL's choice for a player option. That was Jordan and the Hornets choice jazz had no choice as he was a RFA.
 
Utesnjazz said:
But mismanaging the Hayward sitiuation is a bad black eye. The fact is he didn’t do everything he could to keep him here. If building around Hayward was the plan (it was). They should have given him the max without a player option. Instead he decided to be a cheap *** and it bit him.
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Revisionist history. DL was not completely in charge at that point, and Hayward had not shown the potential to be considered a max player at that point. Situations like Hayward's also cannot be legitimately compared to those of Chis Paul's or Paul George's because Hayward was not forthcoming about his desire to leave like they were. The Rubio acquisition was an outgrowth of Hayward's disingenuous approach to free agency.

What has DL done since taking full reign of personnel? He has traded for a top-15 player at #27 in Gobert (who was developed from D-league to the All-Defensive First Team), and traded for a second potential top-15 player at #13 in Mitchell. That is the foundation for at least a decade-long core, and DL did it by trading for a late pick and a middling pick. AND he accomplished this within a 4-year span. Those picks are astounding, and so good that they render any complaints about the job he has done as complete ******-diaper infant tantrums.

Dennis Lindsey is elite at his job. The only real advantage that Boston had was Hayward's relationship with Stevens. Ainge might have more assets, but he hasn't yet been able to accomplish more than Lindsey has, and DL has had less to work with. The acquisition of Mitchell is a ****ing deathblow to a guy like Ainge, because he could have had him at #2 (or traded down for him) and looked like the biggest genius in the NBA. Instead, Utah is in position to lead the post-Warriors arms race, and DL is going to be looking like a boss for the next ten years.
 
Utesnjazz said:
But mismanaging the Hayward sitiuation is a bad black eye. The fact is he didn’t do everything he could to keep him here. If building around Hayward was the plan (it was). They should have given him the max without a player option. Instead he decided to be a cheap *** and it bit him.

Besides that (and rubio) mess he has drafted well, and I do like the guy. He gives great interviews, and it’s obvious that he is very smart. Bottom line though he needs to get this team straightened out.
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Hayward sucked that year bro.
 
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