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Draft Knight=change offense+lots of Hayward

The Thriller said:
Lets let history be our guide.

Every year produces a number of good PGs. A few years ago Dwill and CP3 were supposedly the top young PGs in the league. Today? Westbrook and Rose. Tomorrow? Perhaps Wall and Ty Lawson. Or Steph Curry. We don't know.

But one thing is certain, good point guards can be found in nearly every draft at any point in the draft.

Good bigs? Historically, very difficult to find outside of the top 10.
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Not really. Carlos Boozer, Paul Millsap, Roy Hibbert, Al Jefferson, Josh Smith, David Lee, Perkins,etc.
 
The Thriller said:
Lets let history be our guide.

Every year produces a number of good PGs. A few years ago Dwill and CP3 were supposedly the top young PGs in the league. Today? Westbrook and Rose. Tomorrow? Perhaps Wall and Ty Lawson. Or Steph Curry. We don't know.

But one thing is certain, good point guards can be found in nearly every draft at any point in the draft.

Good bigs? Historically, very difficult to find outside of the top 10.
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Not every year. I can see 3-4 years in the last ten that haven't produced a good PG. Looking at next year What I see is a lot of good wing player and quite a few good bigs.

Not that I am disagreeing with you on the concept here. If Kanter and D-Will are on the board we have to take one of them at 3. But if it comes down to Irving or Knight at #3 this year are you going to pass on both of them just because they play PG? They well be BPA at the time in that case. I just think that to not draft a player due to him being a PG should not be a factor if you think he is the better player.
 
Jazz4ever said:
You do realize if he played and put up Cousins like numbers from last year he would be going first right? This could be a blessing in disguise, a chance to get a franchise player. I'm not saying he isn't a slight gamble, but most indications are extremely positive, yet you and a few others look for nothing but negative aspects of him. We are looking for that franchise player. We NEED that franchise player. Too early to tell with Favors. Unless Knight makes miraculous improvements he certainly isn't it, why not gamble a little?
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I think you're misunderstanding me. I'm not for or against Kanter. I'm saying that, as a fan, it's impossible to have any read on him. Even the straight out of high school guys had more legit tape. I'll have no problem getting excited about Kanter if we draft him. But I can't get excited about him before the draft because there's nothing to look at besides him dunking over traffic cones and making a 3 in an empty gym. The Hoop Summit is good, but still one game more than a year ago.
 
Dwill_PwnasaurasRex said:
Not really. Carlos Boozer, Paul Millsap, Roy Hibbert, Al Jefferson, Josh Smith, David Lee, Perkins,etc.
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Boozer sucks. Product of Jerry Sloan's system of getting him the ball on the elbow, letting him make a living shooting jumpers, and having the most versatile center in the league by his side. It also helped that he had a franchise PG to create for him. Put him in cleveland and Chicago, and he's nothing more than a decent role player. If that. I think Boozer is quickly making the case that he cannot be a starter in this league. He's too much of a liability both offensively and defensively. Offensively, he cannot score inside. He's too short and soft. Defensively... LOL...

Millsap is ok. But far from a franchise type guy. Without the Jazz's system, he'd be more like Udonis Haslem.

Hibbert is a stiff. Not even close to a top center

Al Jefferson is a loser. Anything but a franchise player.

J-smooth is ok. I don't really consider him a big man.

David Lee is a garbage player who has yet to have a winning season.

Perkins is a joke. A glorified and more serious Fess.

None of these are franchise players. Which is the point I'm getting at. We're talking about franchise potential bigs. The Jazz have one, and it isn't Fess, Memo, Al, or Millsap... He was taken in the top 3 last year. Had he stayed in college, he'd easily be the #1 this year.
 
The Thriller said:
Boozer sucks. Product of Jerry Sloan's system of getting him the ball on the elbow, letting him make a living shooting jumpers, and having the most versatile center in the league by his side. It also helped that he had a franchise PG to create for him. Put him in cleveland and Chicago, and he's nothing more than a decent role player. If that. I think Boozer is quickly making the case that he cannot be a starter in this league. He's too much of a liability both offensively and defensively. Offensively, he cannot score inside. He's too short and soft. Defensively... LOL...

Millsap is ok. But far from a franchise type guy. Without the Jazz's system, he'd be more like Udonis Haslem.

Hibbert is a stiff. Not even close to a top center

Al Jefferson is a loser. Anything but a franchise player.

J-smooth is ok. I don't really consider him a big man.

David Lee is a garbage player who has yet to have a winning season.

Perkins is a joke. A glorified and more serious Fess.

None of these are franchise players. Which is the point I'm getting at. We're talking about franchise potential bigs. The Jazz have one, and it isn't Fess, Memo, Al, or Millsap... He was taken in the top 3 last year. Had he stayed in college, he'd easily be the #1 this year.
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The only franchise PG's are top 5 picks too.
 
Dwill_PwnasaurasRex said:
The only franchise PG's are top 5 picks too.
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This statement is probably mostly true.

But we don't necessarily need Drose to win a championship. At #3, lets try and find our franchise player.

Williams (closest thing to a franchise player in this draft), Kanter (probably the best big man. Doubt he's a franchise player. But he's probably the closest thing we'll find), and unload the pick, should be our 3 options IMO.

Taking a player like Knight, JV, Biyombo, or Jimmer at #3 should be a last resort IMO.
 
The Thriller said:
This statement is probably mostly true.

But we don't necessarily need Drose to win a championship. At #3, lets try and find our franchise player.

Williams (closest thing to a franchise player in this draft), Kanter (probably the best big man. Doubt he's a franchise player. But he's probably the closest thing we'll find), and unload the pick, should be our 3 options IMO.

Taking a player like Knight, JV, Biyombo, or Jimmer at #3 should be a last resort IMO.
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I think it's pretty clear there are no franchise players in this draft. The closest one is Irving, because he has an outside shot of being a dominant true PG like Paul and Williams. We are obviously shooting for a 2nd/3rd option type player. I think either Knight, Kanter, or Walker can be that.
 
Kanter supporters think about this. Let's say Brandon Knight sat out his freshman year of college (like Kanter), how high would his stock be? People would be like "Damn, 2x Gatorade Player of The Year. Only Lebron and Greg Oden (who would of been very good w/o injuries) did that" . It's sad that the lesser known prospects get the hype of "what if".
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