Stephen A claims Hayward IS Boston's problem.
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enchilada_style
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This is what happens when you play poorly in places like Boston. In Utah all he'd have to worry about is jazzfanz and maybe a Tony Jones article.
Alfalfa
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That was a bunch of hot air. But I'm glad Hayward is being **** on. Hope he's enjoying the spotlight!
NAOS
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That’s a poor synopsis of his opinion on Hayward and the situation in Boston. And, I’m so totally shocked you’re tossing out ******** on jazzfanz. Shocked.
LoPo
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The bad thing for Hayward is that he got injured. The good thing for Hayward is that he can blame his injury if he fails there.
I have been calling him overrated for years so to me this is no new development. He's a pretty good all around player. Never worth the entirety of his last two contracts. Maybe he was worth his contract one or two years, but never worth the contract over the life of the contract.
Boston will miss this window of title contention because of Hayward and other poor moves.
I have been calling him overrated for years so to me this is no new development. He's a pretty good all around player. Never worth the entirety of his last two contracts. Maybe he was worth his contract one or two years, but never worth the contract over the life of the contract.
Boston will miss this window of title contention because of Hayward and other poor moves.
Has to expect to catch heat from Boston fans. He's on a max contract and playing like a role player, and just an average role player. I'm sure his injury has to have a lot to do with it but those fans are gonna get real impatient real quick. And if you are the C's how easy is that contract gonna be to unload if it comes to that. It's interesting watching this play out.
We dodged a huge bullet. I'd much prefer spending MAX on someone else.
Please move thread to appropriate forum.
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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He was worth every cent of his first contract
LoPo
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The last two years sure I'll give you that. However, he was not a max level player the first two years of his max contract. The best player on the team getting 16, 5 and 5? The first two years, he was only a max contract player on potential not on actual production.
The way I see it, I'm willing to pay a guy max money on potential if the actualization of his potential makes up for the fact that he didn't play like a max level player earlier in the contract. His peak was pretty good, but winning one series and making the All Star team doesn't make up for the fact that our team sucked and he played only pretty well for the first couple years.
Hayward never brought us national attention. He helped win one playoff series in 4 years. If he wasn't the focal point for 4 years, he would have had even more pedestrian numbers.
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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You realize we were rebuilding when he got his contract and edited years of Ty before that, and was the only scoring option, and only guy you had to worry about shutting down, right?
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Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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Let’s also remember that he was forced into being an Alfa scorer, when that wasn’t his game, more of a playmaking do a little of everything robin to Batman. He was worth every penny.
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Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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If he regains his form from his last year with the jazz, he’s the perfect robin to Kyrie’s Batman and definitely worth this years contract.
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I’m not worried about him anymore. His problems, and they will be many, are his and they are in Boston now. Media/Boston fans are not going to be happy if he doesn’t improve, the injury be damned. At some point they’ll all lose patients and they won’t care about excuses. Good luck to the dude, he’s gonna need it.
LoPo
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I'm agreeing with you that he became worthy of a max level contract. He was that type of player for the last two years of his deal. Over the first two years, I just don't believe he was worth it.
He didn't bring any intangibles to the table. Maybe if he was charismatic like Mitchell. Or if he was an incredible guy in the community. Or if he had games from time to time which got the Jazz name out there more. But that wasn't who he was. He was a good all round player. If he was a max player for another franchise, Jazz fans wouldn't have held him so high. If he was a Bull or a Hawk or a King...
Do we have a "trash" forum?
Maneesh
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Oh...thank for telling us.