Lindsey is a far more wasteful GM than ppl want to admit. It's time for a change.

[Miggs]

c'mon now, this is some ********. Lets be real here. People were unanimously CONVINCED here that Harrison Barnes contract would be an albatross, and clearly its not and has never been for the Mavs. The # doesn't even look that big compared to the recent contracts..

Everyone was so busy trying to drum up "Hayward is worth the max" that they looked at a solid *** player like Barnes and projected their UNWARRANTED FEARS upon him.
Thats how it happened, even the ****ing biggest moron in those threads @Wes Mantooth know this.


They signed Boris Diaw and Joe Johnson for the same $$$$$... Totally not what they needed, they needed to be CONSTANTLY SNOWBALLING ASSETS EVERYWHERE, EVERY ROSTER SPOT THEY COULD...

Clearly.

I mean, imagine where we’d be with the services of Harrison Barnes right now. We clearly missed out.

 

[8]

The Spurs have had elite talent during their run mixed with solid role players.

Outside of maybe Gobert, there has been no elite talent here during the Lindsey era.

Yes it's difficult to stay on top in the league even with elite talent, as there is much to go around, but to expect much from the Jazz with this group wasn't being realistic. Greatness just isn't here.

I agree. Again, we’re talking about Lebron, the Warriors, and the Spurs. That’s it.
Isn’t it rational for people to expect around 50 wins and the 2nd round of the playoffs like they’ve done the last two seasons? Anyway, still a young season.

 

[8]

Clearly.

I mean, imagine where we’d be right now with the services of Harrison Barnes right now. We clearly missed out.

Having Barnes wouldn’t be bad at all. Also doesn’t change anything for the better.

Point is it doesn’t ****ing matter either way...

 

[sahlensguy]

I agree. Again, we’re talking about Lebron, the Warriors, and the Spurs. That’s it.
Isn’t it rational for people to expect around 50 wins and the 2nd round of the playoffs like they’ve done the last two seasons? Anyway, still a young season.

Last year was lightning in a bottle for us. Realistic expectations of matching that would require catching lightning in a bottle twice (not realistic) and for the league to stagnate (it did not).

 

[Jack Strop]

Good gawd. I've been yelling in the dark way before Gilles brought this up and been blasted for it. The excuse has always been that since Lindsey "found" Mitchell and Gobert he's a great GM. I could bump 10+ posts of mine where I said Lindsey needed to do more or be fired. I'll give Lindsey credit for Mitchell. But Gobert was not his "discovery." It was actually the Jazz' international scout that told Lindsey about Rudy.

Gilles has a point about squandering assets. Lindsey has used FIVE 1st round picks on PG's (two for Burke, Exum, and then trades for Hill and Rubio). I don't fault him for taking Hood. Rodney was clearly BPA. But all that tanking resulted in ONE player we couldn't have drafted otherwise: Exum. He's the sole player Lindsey has for his half-*** approach to tanking. It was a poorly conceived plan. You don't strip the team down for late lottery picks. You go the Philly route. Or at least trade players as they reach the end of their contracts if they're not in the plans moving forward.

And to judge prospects based on balance tests? Lindsey has to be the laughing stock among GM's for that approach. Lindsey needs to do something at the deadline or this summer or be fired, IMO. He used to talk about having "financial flexibility" so the Jazz could be players in free agency, then he'd fail to sign anyone because the prices were too high. Even Hayward's final season, it was JJ's agent who contacted Dennis. And knowing Gordon was a free agent and he needed to "sell" him on staying, he trades for Fat Boris. And he botches the Hill trade by not coming to a gentleman's agreement on an extension, wasting a 1st rounder in the ugly mess when Hill leaves.

 

[The Fresh Prince]

He's a sex offender bruh.

Karl Malone was a child molester/stagetory rapist and we let him play here for 19 years my guy. Wtf is your point?

Answers like that give me a headache bro. Without Malone the Jazz would not be in Utah. Lets just be a hypocrite because allegedly D Rose liked to run trains on grown women instead of finding an attraction in women 7 years younger than his senior.

 

[David Ginola 14]

I did not know JJ's situation, are there any links confirming that it was Johnson's agent calling our GM?

 

[8]

Most of these complaints boil down to a frustration with Lindsay’s conservative nature. Some prefer a riskier style, which is completely understandable. But then isn’t it rather misguided to focus pitchforks on Dennis when it is ownership who vetted candidates and picked a GM with the attributes they desired? That is the root.
Philadelphia is often referenced these days as being in a position many here desire, but it is rather clear that Jazz ownership was and is not willing to do what they have done to get where they are today. Philly has yet to surpass the on-court results of the Jazz, though things certainly appear better for them moving forward by having Embiid and Simmons. Those guys are quite good.
Not all picks have been thrown away in the minds of the Jazz. They were used to bring in players who contributed to fielding competitive teams.
Ultimately, none of this matters personally cuz I just love the team that I’ve liked from childhood. That is why I like the teams I like. Other people like teams based on the team-building philosophies of the ownership.

 

[fishonjazz]

.

Sent from my ONEPLUS A6013 using JazzFanz mobile app

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

The biggest issue I’ve had with him is the cake baking year... we sat on cap space and watched the guys we want now (Middleton and Harris) sign deals at much less than their max... because cake baking. I was on that corner during all of free agency so it is not hindsight. The rest of his conservative moves were Hayward motivated and that was his issue. I figured the Ricky deal meant Hayward was for sure coming back... clearly It was not. Letting a free agent determine your moves is not good GMing. Should have had deals ready to go if he signed.

We missed on Niko... we didn’t sign Bjelica... the Exum and favors contracts don’t look great.

Here is the problem we have now... we had to convince free agents this is an attractive destination because we are a more competitive situation. If we don’t start winning then our cap space we’ve hoarded goes to waste. I don’t think we make the playoffs without reconfiguring the roster.

Dm and Ingles both have injuries that will hamper them for a while unless they sit. West is even more competitive this year... our December schedule will put us in a hole that will be tough to climb out of. We will be 8-9 games under .500 but this year we won’t be able to go 29-6 down the stretch.

We in a tough spot... DL will have some explaining to do if we just keep the band together then can’t get anything done in FA.

 

[Jazz4ever]

I don't actually buy that many common fans root for their teams, I believe a considerable % of them they root for themselves, they root for their feelings, and don't wanna admit it. Surely this site got plenty of people who advocate for the team to cut off its nose to spite its face..

People dont buy tickets to see the team play, they buy tickets to see the team win.... It's an old saying... Thats how it is...

those fans buying tickets are mostly just trying to exchange their $$$ for instant-gratification.


and when the teams lose, thats when the true colors behin to fly, people act like their entitled to be jerks if they lose as a method to extract value for their dollars spent..

I agree with Kevin Durants comments about the fan he got fined over

"What kind of grown man comes to a game to heckle another grown man?"


This is why I don't buy any memorbelia, i'm not financially invested. Marketing is one of the many chefs that spoiled Utahs stew.

Call me a jerk, whatever, just don't call me fooled, cuz I never was. Growing up a Knicks fan I observed pretty much all forms of self-sabotage, I can spot this **** quicker than most.

So let's live in the real world then and stop acting like DL could trade Hayward at his absolute peak with the team getting over 50 wins. These 90% "instant gratification" fans are paying the salaries of these players. They would react violently to trading Hayward for a lottery pick, passing on next years season tickets. Players wouldn't understand it either, Gobert might demand a trade and those never get you fair returns. Players can screw a franchise over and there's not a damn thing a GM can do about it, if you can't admit that, you're living in video game world.

 

[jazzfan1132]

Current situation is Coach case. Quin should've ordered spacing after a month ago. Sac's game was a redemption gamę. Let's take on Indy.