This made me kinda sad today...

[Stoked]

Thank you Red. This sort of contrition is awesome to hear. It shows your willingness to be fair.

However, I still disagree with how the media is handling things. You linked the updated versions of CNN and the Washington Post. No where in there do they tell the full story or show a clip of Nathan Phillips walking up to the kid. I find that to be disingenuous and problematic. They did nothing to defuse the anger built up in the left. All you need to do is read the comments on the Washington Post and people still want blood.

I do not find Nathan Phillips to be genuine. His interview does match up with what the video shows. His exact word were "this young man put himself in front of me". That is a complete lie, and its an important lie because it changes how people view things. Niether CNN, Washington Post, or any other leftist media corrects this. He also claimed he was scared? How does that make any sense? He was the one who put himself in that situation. He is the one who was looking for the stare down. He is the one who got right up into the kids face banging a drum. That is not a scared man. That is an instigator looking for trouble. Secondly, not one of these kids did anything to make him feel scared. They didnt say anything hateful. They didnt touch him. There werent chants of build that wall. They smiled and danced to his song. His whole CNN interview was complete BS.

The only thing these kids did wrong was wear MAGA hats. That is it. Plain and simple. This just shows that this event was microscopic example of a bigger picture of what is going on in this country. If you wear a MAGA hat, support Trump, are a white Christian, a male, etc.. It has become ok by the left to hate and attack these people regardless of what they have done or said. Thats the truth. You said it yourself. You automatically assumed they were racist and up to no good because you saw the hats. This flies in the face of what the left pretends to stand for. This is being prejudice. Its literally the exact definition. If this doesnt get people to pause and self examine I dont know what will. Its disturbing to say the least.

Political hate is the new “it” thing. And it’s sad and shameful.

 

[infection]

Political hate is the new “it” thing. And it’s sad and shameful.

I think the most simplistic way to view it is that there has been a really big push for a number of years to be about principles, but those loudly advocating for principles aren't actually standing for principles, but are standing for the application, yet there's been a huge conflation between the application and the principle.

 

[The Thriller]

This bothered me.

“1:17:26 Hebrews speak truth: "Your college degrees was paid off of the blood shed from slavery. Your houses, your mortgages--everything that your parents own--was given to you by the blood shed by our people." White boy yells: “That’s racist, bro!” Um...no. That is truth. 23/“

Um, no, that’s not truth. That’s ****ed up.

Yeah I don’t agree with that.

I think the added context of the African American protest group and the inflammatory rhetoric they used sheds new light on this issue. Calling those students racist slurs and claiming that they’d harvest the one black student’s organs is inexcusable. If anything, those people were the ones who instigated it and deserve the most criticism now that more information has been added.

I do think this opens the door for an interesting discussion:

1. What is an all boys school doing at a pro life rally? Do we seriously not see the irony here?

2. What role do MAGA hats have in provoking reaction? I know of many people who consider them to be the new hood. You don’t wear that around DC without expecting a fight. What role did the students chanting and ripping off their shirts doing the HAKA have in this?

3. Where were the adults? This whole dispute didn’t just suddenly occur. It went on for minutes and minutes. Where were the chaperones? You’re going to let students from your school tear off clothes and do the Haka in front of the Lincoln memorial while exchanging racist rhetoric with African Americans and Native American Indians?

I admittedly have more empathy for smirking student kid and less for the adult chaperones now that I’ve seen the other videos. He was in a large group and when the Native American came up to him he saw it as a challenge and when surrounded by his peers he acted like most young men will act. But had adults been there this whole incident could’ve been descalated.

 

[The Thriller]

What's actually funny, is that most "leftists" on the forum admitted they were mistaken in their judgement as soon as they saw the full vid. I look forward to the next time NPCD argues a point to death regardless of the evidence. Which happens on weekly basis.

What is a leftist? Could you define it for me? I see this term written a lot online but I have no idea what it means. How does one qualify to be a leftist? Genuinely curious

 

[Zombie]

Yeah I don’t agree with that.

I think the added context of the African American protest group and the inflammatory rhetoric they used sheds new light on this issue. Calling those students racist slurs and claiming that they’d harvest the one black student’s organs is inexcusable. If anything, those people were the ones who instigated it and deserve the most criticism now that more information has been added.

I do think this opens the door for an interesting discussion:

1. What is an all boys school doing at a pro life rally? Do we seriously not see the irony here?

2. What role do MAGA hats have in provoking reaction? I know of many people who consider them to be the new hood. What role did the students chanting and ripping off their shirts doing the HAKA have in this?

3. Where were the adults? This whole dispute didn’t just suddenly occur. It went on for minutes and minutes. Where were the chaperones? You’re going to let students from your school tear off clothes and do the Haka in front of the Lincoln memorial?

I admittedly have more empathy for smirking student kid and less for the adult chaperones now that I’ve seen the other videos. He was in a large group and when the Native American came up to him he saw it as a challenge and when surrounded by his peers he acted like most young men will act. But had adults been there this whole incident could’ve been descalated.

This is a very reasonable take. The usual suspects won't agree I'm sure.

 

[The Thriller]

This is a very reasonable take. The usual suspects won't agree I'm sure.

No and I don’t expect them to. I’ll never see their responses as I’ve now blocked most of them. They were mostly silent and unapologetic until more information was added. Now they demand apologies. Had nothing else come out about this story I’m sure they would’ve never condemned their side. It would’ve been ignored by them and we’d be moving onto whatever stupid and illegal thing Donald has done today.

But that’s normal. They typically stay silent on issues that make their side look bad. but then they expect those from more liberal ideology to apologize and be vocal on issues that make their side look bad. It’s the same nonsense we see everyday. “Well Ocasio-Cortez said x about taxes so in order to be fair and balanced we should excuse Donald’s lying about contact with Russia.” As if x=y.

You’re really in a no-win situation often on this board. We must answer for every sin the media, FBI, Clintons, Obama, or Ocasio-Cortez commit otherwise we’re labeled as being hypocritical but they can remain silent on mulligan after mulligan everything trump, Fox News, and McConnell do while maintaining “fairness.”

While critiquing the accuracy of the MSM vs the media on the right, shall we reflect on birtherism? Obamacare’s death panels? How about uranium one? Seth rich? Any takers?

Moral relativism is a hell of a drug.

 

[Eminence]

What is a leftist? Could you define it for me? I see this term written a lot online but I have no idea what it means. How does one qualify to be a leftist? Genuinely curious

At this point it's changed to just generally mean anything even slightly to the left, more traditionally it would refer to communists/socialists.

 

[idiot]

I'm just about as leftist as they come on this forum (which is why I usually avoid the political stuff). But props to Hack for sniffing out that there's more to issue than the original narrative. And props to those on the other "side" who acknowledged it. (I do not totally agree with Hack that Phillips was out to get the boys. It sounds like there was a good deal of misunderstanding among the several groups that led to rapid-fire uncharitable interpretations of the other.)

I will say that I'm disappointed by Vox.com (which I sometimes like to read). The more complete narrative remains buried far into the original article which only painted things as MAGA-wearing students virtually assaulting a Native American elder. NBC news and (as pointed out) the Washington Post -- two supposedly "left" outlets have done somewhat better, thankfully.

I suspect that we'll continue to hear more to fill in the story, and that it's likely to be complex and the result of misunderstandings as much as pure animus. But those misunderstandings happen easily in situations of protest and activism. It hopefully reminds us that we ought to slow down in the way we interpret things. There are things that perhaps deserve our outrage, but we ought to try to be outraged slower rather than quicker.

 

[Alfalfa]

What is a leftist? Could you define it for me? I see this term written a lot online but I have no idea what it means. How does one qualify to be a leftist? Genuinely curious

It's what NPC calls the anti-Trump crowd. That's why I put it in quotes. In reality, the term is relative to where the mainstream lies (the center). With ever changing definitions of what is and isn't left/right. For me, right is the philosophical focus on order, while the left is about equality.

 

[The Thriller]

At this point it's changed to just generally mean anything even slightly to the left, more traditionally it would refer to communists/socialists.

Interesting. Thanks

Are Never-Trump republicans like Max Boot, Tom Nicols, George Will, and Rick Wilson leftists?

How about establishment republicans who are critics of Trump, like Jeb Bush, John McCain (Yes I know he’s deceased), Jeff Flake, and Mitt Romney?

Are known cabinet critics like HR McMaster, Rex Tillerson, and Mad Dog Mattis leftists?

So anyone from Mattis to Bernie Sanders can be lumped into one category called leftists now? Interesting. No matter their takes on private property, tax rates, social issues, foreign policy, etc? Because what I’ve seen over the few years is that right and left ideology means nothing. If one disagrees with trump it’s immediwtely discounted as “leftist” no matter if the critic or the criticism lies more on the right/conservative ideology scale. For example, many intellectuals on the right criticized Donald’s trade war. They’re pro free trade. That’s traditionally a conservative stance. But since Donald has adopted a pro tariff stance, those who have taken the traditional conservative stance have been labeled as “leftists.”

Interesting.

 

[Alfalfa]

Interesting. Thanks

Are Never-Trump republicans like Max Boot, Tom Nicols, George Will, and Rick Wilson leftists?

How about establishment republicans who are critics of Trump, like Jeb Bush, John McCain (Yes I know he’s deceased), Jeff Flake, and Mitt Romney?

Are known cabinet critics like HR McMaster, Rex Tillerson, and Mad Dog Mattis leftists?

So anyone from Mattis to Bernie Sanders can be lumped into one category called leftists now? Interesting.

Interesting.

Those are RINOs.

 

[Alfalfa]

Those are RINOs.

Sarcasm btw.

 

[RandyForRubio]

Nobody has ever been as unintentionally ironic as Thriller. Ever.

 

[The Thriller]

It's what NPC calls the anti-Trump crowd. That's why I put it in quotes. In reality, the term is relative to where the mainstream lies (the center). With ever changing definitions of what is and isn't left/right. For me, right is the philosophical focus on order, while the left is about equality.

You’re right, The ever changing definitions of left/right is confusing. It seems like Donald could today declare himself pro union, pro single payer health care system, and pro progressive tax and anyone who disagrees with him would be labeled a leftist. It’s such a weird dichotomy to move ideological identification from actual beliefs to allegiance to a man and whatever he farts out everyday.

 

[idiot]

I think the added context of the African American protest group and the inflammatory rhetoric they used sheds new light on this issue. Calling those students racist slurs and claiming that they’d harvest the one black student’s organs is inexcusable. If anything, those people were the ones who instigated it and deserve the most criticism now that more information has been added.

I do think this opens the door for an interesting discussion:

1. What is an all boys school doing at a pro life rally? Do we seriously not see the irony here?

2. What role do MAGA hats have in provoking reaction? I know of many people who consider them to be the new hood. You don’t wear that around DC without expecting a fight. What role did the students chanting and ripping off their shirts doing the HAKA have in this?

3. Where were the adults? This whole dispute didn’t just suddenly occur. It went on for minutes and minutes. Where were the chaperones? You’re going to let students from your school tear off clothes and do the Haka in front of the Lincoln memorial while exchanging racist rhetoric with African Americans and Native American Indians?

I admittedly have more empathy for smirking student kid and less for the adult chaperones now that I’ve seen the other videos. He was in a large group and when the Native American came up to him he saw it as a challenge and when surrounded by his peers he acted like most young men will act. But had adults been there this whole incident could’ve been descalated.

My thoughts
On the Black Israelites: I don't agree with their methods. And they should have realized that even if your object is to provoke people, you don't do that to high school students.

1. It was a Catholic school. It's ironic in some sense, sure, but they were simply following their religious principles.

2. Ideally they should have known better than to have MAGA hats. But we're at a bad point if simply the wearing of a MAGA hat is by itself enough to have to expect a fight on the nation's mall. On ripping off shirts/etc: teenage immaturity in response to what they (reasonably, it seems) felt were provocations.

3. Good question. But we don't know the answer yet. It doesn't seem like the students had been the instigators (though maybe there's more that still will come out). It doesn't seem like they approached the situation aggressively. But you would hope that the adult chaperones would have seen that this was not a situation worth pursuing and gotten them out of there.

 

[DutchJazzer]

I already posted a few of these videos in the government shutdown thread.

These are just economically anxious straight white Christian males, right?

They’re exercising their religious freedom and freedom of speech to protest against women’s rights and demonstrate their anxiety against illegal immigration. They just need tolerance. When they yell, “build the wall” and “lands get stolen, it happens” and smirk at natives, they’re just expressing their concern over the well-being or the country, not demonstrating white supremacy, right?

this is post a racist peace of ****. and anti christian.

you sir sound like a Narional socialist in the 1933-1945. those white sutdents where being harrased called national socialist, school shooters and pedophiles. they where the one being ATTACKED. but because they are white and or christian you jumped to conclusion just like the biased fake news left wing media!

seems like the jumpign to cnclusion always happens on 1 side


imagine if trump starts calling to ban i;m with her and hope and change shirts. you would lose your ****ing mind and call him an authoritarian! but heere we have democrats trying to ban maga hats just like their national socialist counterparts banned jewish books in the 1933.


you sir are a despciable racist global socialist. and i serioulsy hope you either see the error in your GLOZI ways and wake the **** up. or you get run over by a truck or hit by lighting or some **** like that!


ps the media should keep jumping to wrong conclusions and lynching innocent people becaus eof their skin color of reliiogn. so we can se that they are jsut like the national socialist racist filthy pieces of ****

 

[Hotdog]

It's what NPC calls the anti-Trump crowd. That's why I put it in quotes. In reality, the term is relative to where the mainstream lies (the center). With ever changing definitions of what is and isn't left/right. For me, right is the philosophical focus on order, while the left is about equality.

When I say leftist, liberal, Democrat, etc... I am generalizing. I know that. I wish I didnt have to. I know that each individual has set of different beliefs, and there are different combinations on the spectrum. If there were a word I knew of that would describe the people who blindy follow the main stream media on the left, and the people who are pushing for this crazy notion of everyone who isnt with us is racist narrative, I would use that. Along with a few other things I think they are about right now.

Im not criticizing every belief the "left" has either. I hold some of these same beliefs. My political spectrum is very mixed. Not too long ago I was very critical of the right. I did not like George Bush. I did not like Fox news. I felt like they were doing a lot if what the left is doing today, except I think the left is much worse now. Its like I cant even recognize who what that political ideology is anymore. I dont see people standing for what is right. I see violence and hate disguised as goodness.


About this statement

"For me, right is the philosophical focus on order, while the left is about equality."

I have a few issues with that. Does equality not come from some kind of order? Isnt that what the left is trying to do now? They seem to be putting a lot of pressure on social order in the name of equality. Also, there seems to be some "equality" missing from the left. They want equality for everyone but white Christian males. You dont get to choose who is out of the circle. Regardless of what their ancestors or even parents have done. This thread is a prime example of there not being equality. The media did not apply equality to these young white kids. They did the exact opposite. They tried to tear them down and destroy them for no good reason. Just because they were white. You cant deny that it just happened either. Those are facts.

 

[Hotdog]

You’re right, The ever changing definitions of left/right is confusing. It seems like Donald could today declare himself pro union, pro single payer health care system, and pro progressive tax and anyone who disagrees with him would be labeled a leftist. It’s such a weird dichotomy to move ideological identification from actual beliefs to allegiance to a man and whatever he farts out everyday.

Maybe you are confused because when anyone challenges your beliefs you put them on ignore.

 

[DutchJazzer]

So actually, turns out this is more fake news.

The other side of the story is these kids were approached by Nathan Phillips(the native American man). Someone in Nathan's group was chanting at the kids "go back to Europe" who were gathered for the March of Life. The kids were standing there waiting for their bus. The kids did not approach this man. He approached them, banging his drum and got right up into the face of the kid. It wasnt just a few feet either. He deliberately made his way over to them. I saw a second hand video of this happening. CNN even corroborates this, but still sells the lies. https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/01/19/us/teens-mock-native-elder-trnd/index.html

I cant post the full video I watched because of some language in it. The black men "preaching the bible" is who the kids were arguing with. The black men were standing there yelling derogatory terms for gay people(thats 100% true as well). So then Nathan Phillips decides to approach these kids with his song to supposedly defuse the situation. Instead you can actually hear someone yell go back to Europe to the kids. I didn't even hear the "build the wall" chants. Although Im not dening it could have happened. Its entirely possible it was in response to the go back to Europe chants.

So these kids are pretty much get taunted and harrassed by this man, the one kid stand his ground. Others dance to his music, and then they are made out to be the bad guys here? Whats the proper action here? Run, move, bow?


But see, this is the kind of **** that is pissing people off. You guys really will defend this kind of journalism? What a joke. The BS narrative continues. The leftist media has no shame and no honor. Totally willing to just lie and sell fake news. Why not tell the full story? Why only tell it from an agle that makes these kids look bad? No conscience at all. They dont care if they ruin this young mans life or not. Totally reckless imo.

You cant say this is fair reporting. They clearly sell it a certain way. Hook line and sinker. I even fell for this dumb as ****. I should have known better. I did actually. Its why I decided to dig further.

sounds like what my forefathers went through in europe they where vilinized for being jews. having this magcial jew privilige! so it is ok to take their bank acount. their parent sjob and everything

**** the left wing punks who stand for this

 

[DutchJazzer]

Would recommend people read this thread. It's from the older brother of the smiling kid.

It's sad how people react to things like that. Even if those kids did everything they were said to do (and video proof shows they obviously didn't), how people responded to this family is wrong.

We, all of us, need to be better.

this does not suprise me one bit. this same attitude caused holocaust.
racism against the jews. anger at a religion (judaism) and jews having jew privilige! and jews being capitalist


national socialist who are now global socialist have replaced Jews with whites, Judaism with Christianity and jew privilege with white privilege,. of course capitalist being capitalist!


these global socialist disgust me just like their filthy predecessors called national ****ing filthy socialist!