2019 Trade Deadline Discussion

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I just feel like the whole "Clippers are signing two max super-star free agents" thing has to happen for Harris to choose to leave LA and i don't think that's going to happen at all. I think there is a better chance no super-stars join LA and it seems super risky to bet that someone is going to choose Utah over LA.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I would prefer to chase Otto, Blake Griffin, Mirotic, Aaron Gordon over Harris. I would rather see Jabari on a vet min over Harris on a max. I might prefer Gallinari over Harris for his contract and play right away. Saric and Roco if they were available would be better choices as well to me.

-is Griffin on the block for what we can offer?
-Gallinari has a bad back and is a virtual lock for missing a chunk of games every year
-Is Saric available? Does he D up?
-RoCo is a strictly catch-and-shoot guy that isn’t available
-Otto is in a down year and isn’t very productive. Doesn’t create. (You’re down on Harris for salary reasons but want to pay Porter to be a rich-man’s 3+D guy?)
-Mirotic isn’t any better a defender and isn’t much of a creator either. Also seems to have issues with his teammates wherever he goes
-Aaron Gordon isn’t available

 

[NUMBERICA]

I just feel like the whole "Clippers are signing two max super-star free agents" thing has to happen for Harris to choose to leave LA and i don't think that's going to happen at all. I think there is a better chance no super-stars join LA and it seems super risky to bet that someone is going to choose Utah over LA.

-Harris isn’t the only free agent. But if I could trade Favors and a 1st for him this season I would. I think the two free agents thing is a legit possibility.
-There are not only other free agents, but likely opportunities to take good players in salary dumps.
-We would still have another year on Mitchell’s rookie deal to try and find that other offensive hub. I don’t see Conley lasting or Porter ever being that.

 

[MDAV28]

I guess, but are we really just going to strike out two summers in a row, go with the exactly the same product, and hope again that our perfect fit will fall into our lap in free agency the third summer in a row we have space?

That's the worst case scenario striking out. But from my perspective, what REALLY is putting all our eggs into a basket if we were to trade for a large contract as it would cap us out the next two offseason's that Don is on his rookie deal (so the only offseasons we can really hope for meaningful cap space). Especially if we are giving up one or a few of our remaining assets (a 1stround pick, young prospect) for that contract that caps us out.

There's two ways to look at this. Nobody knows what will happen in the future and nobody knows what conversations the Jazz are having. I lean towards the side of most flexibility. Otto deal could be there in the offseason. Or it could not. But if Jazz were to overpay, give up assets for a negative value contract, that would seem a little impulsive.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I guess, but are we really just going to strike out two summers in a row, go with the exactly the same product, and hope again that our perfect fit will fall into our lap in free agency the third summer in a row we have space?

Last offseason was frustrating, but the Jazz didn’t have max space and the free agent pool wasn’t nearly as deep as this year.

It’s been about this offseason for me since the beginning of last year and I think that’s the same with the organization.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

-Harris isn’t the only free agent. But if I could trade Favors and a 1st for him this season I would. I think the two free agents thing is a legit possibility.
-There are not only other free agents, but likely opportunities to take good players in salary dumps.
-We would still have another year on Mitchell’s rookie deal to try and find that other offensive hub. I don’t see Conley lasting or Porter ever being that.

I think it makes more sense to be aggressive this year than be passive. This is probably the easiest year to make it to the Conference Finals. The Warriors at least look somewhat vulnerable. If you dont maximize yourself this year, you might be looking at the Lakers being a super-team with Lebron/AD/Whoever next year and kicking yourself.

There a lot of different trade paths/waiting for free agency decisions the Jazz can take, but I would be really disappointed if the Jazz decided to become a salary dump team.

 

[Ron Mexico]

-is Griffin on the block for what we can offer?
-Gallinari has a bad back and is a virtual lock for missing a chunk of games every year
-Is Saric available? Does he D up?
-RoCo is a strictly catch-and-shoot guy that isn’t available
-Otto is in a down year and isn’t very productive. Doesn’t create. (You’re down on Harris for salary reasons but want to pay Porter to be a rich-man’s 3+D guy?)
-Mirotic isn’t any better a defender and isn’t much of a creator either. Also seems to have issues with his teammates wherever he goes
-Aaron Gordon isn’t available

I dont know if any of those players are available. No one does besides their GM and those might not be made known. Even players leaked as available are not always actually available. Players that you never thought would get moved get moved in the NBA.

Otto plays defense, has length, has shown to be smart player, and has played well when the ball hog players on his team are out. He seems like a great fit here. Plus his contract would be less than Harris max contract.

Mirotic will be much cheaper than Harris. He has better length than Harris. He isnt a great defender but puts in decent effort and rotates. I think he would be better in our system. Same with Saric.

I dont know what Griffin trade would demand or if he is available. But I would chase him first. I would also call on Gordon as well. Magic are open to just about anything.

Gallinari does miss a lot of games, but when he plays is very versatile and a great player. I think its worth the risk. Plus he has only 1 more year after this on his contract for much cheaper than a Harris max.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I think it makes more sense to be aggressive this year than be passive. This is probably the easiest year to make it to the Conference Finals. The Warriors at least look somewhat vulnerable. If you dont maximize yourself this year, you might be looking at the Lakers being a super-team with Lebron/AD/Whoever next year and kicking yourself.

I don’t think the Warriors are vulnerable.

I don’t think the Lakers with Lebron and AD are any more formidable than the Warriors have been. If that even ends up happening.

The best chance the Jazz have is to put together the best team they can for the longest time that they can. I feel like the moves being discussed are impulse-buys.

 

[MDAV28]

I think it makes more sense to be aggressive this year than be passive. This is probably the easiest year to make it to the Conference Finals. The Warriors at least look somewhat vulnerable. If you dont maximize yourself this year, you might be looking at the Lakers being a super-team with Lebron/AD/Whoever next year and kicking yourself.

I'm of the opposite mindset that I think the Dubs perceived struggles are overstated and there won't be a team as good as them in the future. I get being aggressive, but sacrificing the future would be a tough sell for me.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

That's the worst case scenario striking out. But from my perspective, what REALLY is putting all our eggs into a basket if we were to trade for a large contract as it would cap us out the next two offseason's that Don is on his rookie deal (so the only offseasons we can really hope for meaningful cap space). Especially if we are giving up one or a few of our remaining assets (a 1stround pick, young prospect) for that contract that caps us out.

There's two ways to look at this. Nobody knows what will happen in the future and nobody knows what conversations the Jazz are having. I lean towards the side of most flexibility. Otto deal could be there in the offseason. Or it could not. But if Jazz were to overpay, give up assets for a negative value contract, that would seem a little impulsive.

I don't want the Jazz to sell off a ton of 1st rounders, but they can give up one.

I mean, look at our roster now. We got Tony Bradley and Grayson Allen as first round picks and I'm sure most people here wouldn't really care too much if we traded them. That 2019 first rounder we are clutching onto might end up becoming another Tony Bradley.

 

[MDAV28]

I don’t think the Warriors are vulnerable.

I don’t think the Lakers with Lebron and AD are any more formidable than the Warriors have been. If that even ends up happening.

The best chance the Jazz have is to put together the best team they can for the longest time that they can. I feel like the moves being discussed are impulse-buys.

Beat me to it.

 

[infection]

Also he isnt a 50/40/90 player and I dont think that position is the most important for shooting. I think PG/SG/SF are all more important for shooting.

Well, technically no, I guess.

50.1% / 43.7% / 88.4%

Dat 1.6% doe. Maybe borrow it from his 3P%.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I'm of the opposite mindset that I think the Dubs perceived struggles are overstated and there won't be a team as good as them in the future. I get being aggressive, but sacrificing the future would be a tough sell for me.

I mean, I'm sure they are overstated, but I still think they are the most vulnerable they have ever been (which isnt that vulnerable, but it's the best shot you might ever get). If Golden State is putting DMC out against the Jazz, that's a huge win for Utah.

I would be fairly optimistic Utah could upset Golden State in a playoff series, or at least give a really good series.

 

[Ron Mexico]

If I knew for sure Harris would come, I'd probably choose to do nothing and sign Harris in free agency. I do think he is very good and can get better, and I think he can be a lot better defensively in Utah. I don't agree at all that he is as bad/unwilling a defender as Parker. I think he's probably like bottom 35-40 percentile and can probably be average in a good system.

You could say that about any crappy defensive player in our system. Parker played good hustle defense in the playoffs and was putting in decent effort as of late in Chicago. I would have more faith in Parker being an average defender in our system than Harris.

Harris is young and might continue to improve though. Its a risk to sign him to a max contact. It could pay off, it just wouldnt be my first choice. I might just hold on to Favors over that and have him and Crowder split the 4 minutes.

 

[MDAV28]

I don't want the Jazz to sell off a ton of 1st rounders, but they can give up one.

I mean, look at our roster now. We got Tony Bradley and Grayson Allen as first round picks and I'm sure most people here wouldn't really care too much if we traded them. That 2019 first rounder we are clutching onto might end up becoming another Tony Bradley.

It also might be a Rudy. Or Hood. Or involved in a package to move up to get a Mitchell. First round picks are by no means guarantees, but they hold much more value than taking on an overpaid contract, especially since that would lock our core roster in for the most part financially.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

It also might be a Rudy. Or Hood. Or involved in a package to move up to get a Mitchell. First round picks are by no means guarantees, but they hold much more value than taking on an overpaid contract, especially since that would lock our core roster in for the most part financially.

Yeah, it's a risk, but I think the odds say it's going to be a Tony Bradley way more often than it is a Rudy Gobert.

 

[SCS]

I just feel like the whole "Clippers are signing two max super-star free agents" thing has to happen for Harris to choose to leave LA and i don't think that's going to happen at all. I think there is a better chance no super-stars join LA and it seems super risky to bet that someone is going to choose Utah over LA.

I agree. There's no guarantee that the Jazz can't sign him, but if they really want him the move is to trade for him before the deadline.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Well, technically no, I guess.

50.1% / 43.7% / 88.4%

Dat 1.6% doe. Maybe borrow it from his 3P%.

It is close. Its also the first time in his career over 50%. Last year he was 46%. If you think he has made a jump this year and a much better player that is fine. He has been up and down with his shooting. It could be an up year.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Well, technically no, I guess.

50.1% / 43.7% / 88.4%

Dat 1.6% doe. Maybe borrow it from his 3P%.

Thanks.

I’m really tired of making a case that shouldn’t have to be made here.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I agree. There's no guarantee that the Jazz can't sign him, but if they really want him the move is to trade for him before the deadline.

But why are the Clippers trading him?

Like I said, I really doubt their ability to attract super-stars. I'm sure they also doubt it themselves since it's literally never happened. Harris is good insurance. I'm sure they also want to make the playoffs as well, and having him there is kind of necessary for that to happen.