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Trib Article: Hayward and Burks make quick connection
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Once you've gone "The Corvette", you don't go back.
Wow. 1st of all, there aren't that many differences between SG or SF. What you are asking Burks and Sap to do is play two widely different positions. As a PG you are asked to defend lightning quick players, bring the ball up the court, initiate the offense, look for others,etc. There are a lot of responsibilities PG's have to handle, which would take away from Burks' best attributes.
For Millsap, he would have to play out on the perimeter. Yes he can shoots well for a PF, but with quicker defenders closing out on him will he be as good? Also, he would be away from the basket, where he thrives on offensive rebounds (you can't crash the boards as hard as SF because you have to worry about getting back on defense) and he would be a liability guarding more athletic SF's. Favors can play PF or C because he is a physical and athletic freak. Millsap is not.
jazzrule
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Wow forget Millsap as he was just a part of what I was hoping for, and was the lest likely to be able to play the position. You have already admitted that Favors could play center, so that part you agree with. Now lets talk about Burks. What does a point guard need to be able to do?
Lets see dribble well - check
Pass well - they say he can so check
Break down defenses by being able to get to the basket - check
Being able to guard super quick point guards - Well move D'Will to shooting guard because he sure as heck could not, so that is not a valid point. Would most point guards be able to guard Burks if he post them up on the offensive end? Nope, he would have the height advantage on most point guards. So tell me again why Burks could not transition over time to point guard again?
What? You are an idiot. How many 6'6 college SG made the transition to PG in the NBA? Huh? Burks is not the 1st tall SG who can dribble and pass. If it was as easy as you say it is to take advantage over smaller players why haven't other players made the transition?
I watched Burks in college and the first thing that came to my mind is this guy could play PG. Now is he a starting PG right now or in the future, no. However, I think he has the ability to play some minutes at the PG and I think people will be surprised by his passing.
Agreed. I said he could play spot minutes at PG coming off the bench, nothing major, just like a few minutes here and there.
Also, I thought Deron Williams was one of the better defenders at starting PG in the league. He just had Boozer,Okur,Millsap,Jefferson,etc. as interior and pick'n'roll defenders. Gary Payton couldn't shut anyone down with those guys as his help.
Jazz4ever
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He did a good job against bigger PGs and even some SGs like Brandon Roy, but the quick ones ate him alive.
The point is the NBA makes it impossible to guard on the perimeter without help. No one in the world is going to be able to contain a player like Derrick Rose without help defense.
margodydek
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We'll really make a step in the right direction when everyone here realizes that Mr. Stern has made it illegal for PGs to play any defense. People complaining about how a PG is a bad defender is pointless.
Not completely. There are PGs who are better than others. Just watch Steve Nash play D, then watch Rondo. They are both have trouble stop penetration off the pick n' roll, but the man defense is completely different.
1. Sorry for the hyperbole. The NBA has made it close to impossible to individually guard a perimeter player with a quick first step.
2. I'm not sure about '10-'11, but for most of Deron's tenure with the Jazz, he was a very good defender. Either way, Derrick Rose couldn't stop Derrick Rose, even if the guy put any real effort into his defense.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=willide01&p2=paulch01
Chris Paul was considered a top PG for about 2 or 3 years by most, Dwill did a pretty good defensive job on him throughout the years.
Chris Paul was considered a top PG for about 2 or 3 years by most, Dwill did a pretty good defensive job on him throughout the years.
margodydek
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Nash can play just as good of defense on Rondo as Rondo can play on Nash. Obviously Rondo is a better man v man defender. So given that Nash is a pretty cerebral player he would never go 1v1 against him, but just run PnR after PnR, and Rondo won't be able to stop him.
1v1 a better defensive PG would be ideal. 5v5 I'd take a better offensive PG every day of the week.
Stifle Tower
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I think Deron took the matchup against Paul personally and really upped his game. Against other small, quick PG's, Deron's defense was less than stellar.
I wasn't talking about them playing against each other or anything of that nature. I was just saying there are differences between PGs level of defense. Somebody said earlier that is nearly impossible for PG's to be good defender, or shut the opposing PG down. I agreed, but there are PGs who make things tougher than others. I was just comparing opposite ends of the spectrum on the defensive level's of PGs.
Thee Jazz Fan
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There were times when Deron looked like a shutdown defender, that Portland comeback on National tv when he guarded Brandon Roy late in the game at some key moments comes to mind, and at other times he seems to move laterally as quick as boozer.
He did have that ankle sprain two years ago that made him a bit slower.
DeRon is a bigger PG. He could guard a Roy or Andre Miller or a bigger, slower player BUT one on one most no one can guard a Rose or Paul. They are just too quick.
If you look at the touted best Defensive PG's in the league
Rondo = KG
Rose = Noah
I even remember J. Nelson getting some pub a few years ago = Dwight
Without an interior presence no PG will be a good defender but then you have players like Nash, Kidd, ect. that have learned which way to shadow players - force them into crowds with good team defense. We had Boozer yelling - Yours or Pick after the fact which didnt help Deron.
Harris in my opinion is a decient defensive player and could be good against many of the PGs in the league with a good interior defensive presence.
If you look at the touted best Defensive PG's in the league
Rondo = KG
Rose = Noah
I even remember J. Nelson getting some pub a few years ago = Dwight
Without an interior presence no PG will be a good defender but then you have players like Nash, Kidd, ect. that have learned which way to shadow players - force them into crowds with good team defense. We had Boozer yelling - Yours or Pick after the fact which didnt help Deron.
Harris in my opinion is a decient defensive player and could be good against many of the PGs in the league with a good interior defensive presence.
jazzrule
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Your the idiot as reading many of your post have shown. If Burks height at 6' 6" is to tall for a point guard why was the greatest point guard in history Magic Johnson 6' 9" dumb ***, and Magic could play all 5 positions when he needed to. Good thing Magic's coaches never told him he is too tall to play point guard.
And where did I say it was easy? If I thought it was easy to transition to point guard, I wouldn't have said several years down the road. Reading other post on here it looks like your saying Burks could not play point guard because of his defense was completely shot down as well. I still like the thought of having a height advantage at both point guard and shooting guard, and I think O'Conner is thinking along those lines as well. Just because someone does not agree with you is no reason to start the name calling crap, but I can respond in kind. And doufus I will put my coaching experience and knowledge of the game up against yours any time.