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Trib Article: Hayward and Burks make quick connection

jazzrule said:
Your the idiot as reading many of your post have shown. If Burks height at 6' 6" is to tall for a point guard why was the greatest point guard in history Magic Johnson 6' 9" dumb ***, and Magic could play all 5 positions when he needed to. Good thing Magic's coaches never told him he is too tall to play point guard.

And where did I say it was easy? If I thought it was easy to transition to point guard, I wouldn't have said several years down the road. Reading other post on here it looks like your saying Burks could not play point guard because of his defense was completely shot down as well. I still like the thought of having a height advantage at both point guard and shooting guard, and I think O'Conner is thinking along those lines as well. Just because someone does not agree with you is no reason to start the name calling crap, but I can respond in kind. And doufus I will put my coaching experience and knowledge of the game up against yours any time.
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Keep dreaming
 
I personally think it's a tad early to put a label on Burks and say that he won't or can't play PG in the league. Why don't we wait and see before we come to a decision?
 
I said he can't be a starting PG. He can play spot backup minutes. He is a SG/SF. I don't see any reason to change him from something he is really good at and has been doing his whole career, to something he can do if he need and isnt as good at.
 
Doesn't matter to me because I don't believe he was drafted to be a PG. Will he play some PG minutes during his NBA career? Sure of it. I believe Burks was drafted as a SG and could push the lineup to Hayward at SF .. which creates even more log jam at PF. That's okay though, at least we're having a discussion about having too much talent/assets.
 
Also, Burks and Hayward have the same standing reach (actually Burks is a half inch taller). So any kind of advantage people thought Hayward had at SG, Burks has just as much, if not more because he is also a good deal quicker.
 
To answer your earlier question

Cyrone Torbin said:
I said he can't be a starting PG. He can play spot backup minutes. He is a SG/SF. I don't see any reason to change him from something he is really good at and has been doing his whole career, to something he can do if he need and isnt as good at.
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You ask for a 6' 6" shooting guard that succesfully played point guard in the NBA. Here is his draft info:

Oscar Palmer Robertson (The Big O, Horse, Donut)
Position: Guard-Forward ▪ Height: 6-5 ▪ Weight: 205 lbs.
Born: November 24, 1938 in Charlotte, Tennessee
High School: Crispus Attucks in Indianapolis, Indiana
College: University of Cincinnati
Draft: Cincinnati Royals, 1st round (1st pick, 1st overall), 1960 NBA Draft (territorial selection)
NBA Debut: October 19, 1960
Hall of Fame: Inducted as Player in 1980

Get it he was a shooting guard/forward in college. Some argue he is the number 2 best point guard to ever play in the NBA.

NOTE: He is listed at 6ft. 6 in. on many sites.

The only player in NBA history to finish a season averaging a triple-double (1961-1962 with the Royals, averaging 30.8 points, 12.5 rebounds and 11.4 assists per game) and a player who recorded 181 career triple-doubles, by far more than anyone else, finishing his career averaging 25.7 points, 9.5 assists and 7.5 rebounds. Robertson was more than just a point guard. He was the first complete player, able of doing anything, especially during the first half of his career, playing in Cincinnati. He won the NBA title in 1971, playing with Kareem in Milwaukee and retired three seasons later. He was a 12 time NBA All-Star and won the MVP in 1964 (31.4, 9.9, 11.0). He is also probably the first player to use the head fake and the fade away jump shot, plus paving way for “Big Guards”, and the guy we’ll talk about next. And the number 1 poiint guard Magic Johnson. Darn I bet the Big O wished his pro coaches made him play shooting guard or forward in the pros, since up to that time that is what he had played instead of playing him at point guard.

And no I am not comparing Burks to Big O or saying he can be a starter at point guard, I am saying that to label a player ability to play a position based on his past is not always right. I am simply showing you that sometimes it is good to think outside the box.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
I said he can't be a starting PG. He can play spot backup minutes. He is a SG/SF. I don't see any reason to change him from something he is really good at and has been doing his whole career, to something he can do if he need and isnt as good at.
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If I remember right, wasn't he a PG in HS, and that's what he was recruited as by Colorado? Westbrook was a SG in HS and college, and he was just an all-pro at PG. I'm not advocating that Burks is a PG or should play PG, but I don't see why anyone would be so adamant that he can't play PG.
 
Hayward was a PG in HS too. Let's make Hayward the PG. He is 6-8. ZOMG THINKS OF THE ADVANTAGES!
 
margodydek said:
If I remember right, wasn't he a PG in HS, and that's what he was recruited as by Colorado? Westbrook was a SG in HS and college, and he was just an all-pro at PG. I'm not advocating that Burks is a PG or should play PG, but I don't see why anyone would be so adamant that he can't play PG.
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Burks was 6'2" in High School too. He had a major growth spurt.
 
let's hire Phil Jackson and run the triangle, so that we don't need a point guard, just a bunch of wings who can handle the ball.

reading this thread makes me wonder why no one ever thought that MJ or Kobe should be a PG.
 
I say run Hayward and Burks together as the 1/2 combo, but neither of them is the official PG. Both with solid ball handling skills and PG skills. They would tear it up. Either could bring it upcourt, either could run the fast break, both can go to the basket. Worth a try.
 
LogGrad98 said:
I say run Hayward and Burks together as the 1/2 combo, but neither of them is the official PG. Both with solid ball handling skills and PG skills. They would tear it up. Either could bring it upcourt, either could run the fast break, both can go to the basket. Worth a try.
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I was hoping that the Jazz would run a Point Forward type offense. Near the end of the year good things happened when the ball went through Hayward. I would like to see more of that. All this talk og Burks being a PG to mea does not really matter because good teams have more than one ball handler on the court at a time anyway.
 
LogGrad98 said:
I say run Hayward and Burks together as the 1/2 combo, but neither of them is the official PG. Both with solid ball handling skills and PG skills. They would tear it up. Either could bring it upcourt, either could run the fast break, both can go to the basket. Worth a try.
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I agree, but the 3rd perimeter player should be able to spread the floor. There's a certain oldest player under contract that doesn't fit in with this idea at all.
 
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