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One Brow said:
I think she is also saying that paying health insurance premiums is effectively a tax, and by that reckoning middle-class taxes won't rise. I'm not fond of that argument.
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She's being disingenuous and lying for a reason. In my opinion it's because she knows damn well most Americans are against a tax. Many view taxes that we already ashave theft enough. All while our government gets more and more into debt. Hell one of the more notable times in our history is the Boston Tea party.
 
JazzyFresh said:
She's being disingenuous and lying for a reason.
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I'll agree it's disingenuous, but it's not lying.

JazzyFresh said:
In my opinion it's because she knows damn well most Americans are against a tax. Many view taxes as theft enough. Hell one of the more notable times in our history is the Boston Tea party.
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I agree that is likely the reason. People are dumb enough they would rather spend more on private insurance than on government insurance.
 
One Brow said:
I'll agree it's disingenuous, but it's not lying.



I agree that is likely the reason. People are dumb enough they would rather spend more on private insurance than on government insurance.
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I'm 1000% happy with my plan. A lot of people are. Its not my responsibility to fund others inability to act like an adult and get insurance. And not everyone falls into that category and yes there are some pretty bad issues with our current situation.

And yes she is lying. Middle Class will be taxed. She says we won't.
 
JazzyFresh said:
Warren. Its her claim.
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What you're saying is "Warren. It's her claim"

What I'm reading is "No, you".

Private Insurance replacement($9T) + Wealth and Large Corporation tax(~$6T/year) + Tax Enforcement($2.3T) = $17.3T

20.5 - 17.3 = 3.2T

Not really as far off as you thought, is it? Mix in immigration reform(great way to increase tax revenue), adjustments away from military spending, reduction in overhead, fewer bankruptcy and hospital losses, and reduction in out of pocket costs(co-pays, etc), and how close do you figure we get?
 
I'm still waiting for those numbers btw. You all are making claims like "People are dumb enough they would rather spend more on private insurance than on government insurance" but you can't even explain how.
 
Harambe said:
What you're saying is "Warren. It's her claim"

What I'm reading is "No, you".

Private Insurance replacement($9T) + Wealth and Large Corporation tax(~$6T/year) + Tax Enforcement($2.3T) = $17.3T

20.5 - 17.3 = 3.2T

Not really as far off as you thought, is it? Mix in immigration reform(great way to increase tax revenue), adjustments away from military spending, reduction in overhead, fewer bankruptcy and hospital losses, and reduction in out of pocket costs(co-pays, etc), and how close do you figure we get?
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Adjustments to military? You all are pissed that Trump kept us out of a needless hundred year war lol.
 
JazzyFresh said:
Adjustments to military? You all are pissed that Trump kept us out of a needless hundred year war lol.
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I've maintained for more than a decade (BushII)that our military is the most bloated military(financially) on the planet. I'm yet to see anything that even sways that fact.
 
Harambe said:
I've maintained for more than a decade (BushII)that our military is the most bloated military(financially) on the planet. I'm yet to see anything that even sways that fact.
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I agree, that's why I was so surprised when Democrats took the warmongering route. I agree with you and most and most Democrats did as well before they shot on their own values because they don't like Trump.
 
JazzyFresh said:
I agree, that's why I was so surprised when Democrats took the warmongering route. I agree with you and most and most Democrats did as well before they shot on their own values because they don't like Trump.
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I notice you haven't provided any evidence to contradict the estimates Warren provided to pay for Medicare for all.
 
JazzyFresh said:
So why doesn't she just come out and say that was/is her plan?
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Campaigning for president, no matter the party or the candidate, is always more about showing voters where your heart is at rather than specific policy details. Warren is just letting Democratic primary voters know what she would like to happen in an abstract, best of all possible worlds. Actual legislation has to be worked out after the election and will be as dependent on the make up of the Senate as it is who gets elected president.
 
JazzyFresh said:
So why doesn't she just come out and say that was/is her plan?
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You will have to ask her.
The fact is that no one can just come into office and implement their plan. We have branches of government that plans have to go through first. It has to be voted on.

That's why I'm always telling people that they don't need to be scared that their guns will be taken away and they don't need to be scared of socialism. A single person (Trump, Warren, etc) can't just take your guns away and can't just put socialism in place.


She might want to do what it is that you think she wants to do but she won't be able to. She will run into resistance at some point within her own government.


Sadly, even if someone (Dem or repub) had a perfect idea that would benefit literally every single American regardless of party then that idea would still be met with a ton of resistance cause if it were a Democrat who came up with the great idea then the Republicans would have to try to stop it so that the Democrats don't a win and don't get credit. And vice versa.

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JazzyFresh said:
And if Republicans are the majority they will just #resist the plan regardless. Democrats will reap what they sow. You really thing Republicans are going to work along side the very people who are trying to impeach an elected president?
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Exactly. Socialism is nothing to be afraid of. I have been saying this all along. Even if the president wants socialism, they can't just put in place.

That's why I don't vote based off of plans or policies or promises. That's all ******** and unlikely to come to fruition anyway.


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JazzyFresh said:
Adjustments to military? You all are pissed that Trump kept us out of a needless hundred year war lol.
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Actually we weren't in war. There was no war. Then Trump made a decision that started war

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JazzyFresh said:
I agree, that's why I was so surprised when Democrats took the warmongering route. I agree with you and most and most Democrats did as well before they shot on their own values because they don't like Trump.
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Trump took the warmongering route. There wasn't a war. Then Trump made a decision that caused a war to begin.

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Jonah said:
Campaigning for president, no matter the party or the candidate, is always more about showing voters where your heart is at rather than specific policy details. Warren is just letting Democratic primary voters know what she would like to happen in an abstract, best of all possible worlds. Actual legislation has to be worked out after the election and will be as dependent on the make up of the Senate as it is who gets elected president.
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I said the exact same thing about "Mexico will pay for it" and was chastised by most posters here.

Edit: it's an empty campaign promise
 
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Our government can't even budget what we have now. How can they budget 50+ trillion? What happens to healthcare, schooling if we run out of money?
 
JazzyFresh said:
Our government can't even budget what we have now. How can they budget 50+ trillion? What happens to healthcare, schooling if we run out of money?
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What you're typing is "we can't"

But it comes out as "I can't be bothered to look into it"
 
JazzyFresh said:
That war gas been going on for a loooooooong time buddy. Long time.
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Ya I shouldn't have said Trump is the war mongerer. That's not true.
But you calling democrats war mongerers because they didn't want to leave our allies to be slaughtered isn't true either.

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