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To the "we're better without Conley" crew

jom2003 said:
When was the last time bringing in an undersized midget ball dominant and defensive liable PG helped a team to win a championship?
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Mike Conley shows great defensive skill but is short. Given that caveat, Isiah Thomas immediately comes to mind.

Kyle Lowry might also fit your criteria.

As might Tony Parker.

Anyway, I don't like this argument. Some correlation and 0 causation.
 
NUMBERICA said:
I think it's mostly Joe. However, having Conley in the lineup would necessarily mean Joe handling the ball less and I'm not sure that's good since Joe is - quite frankly - substantially better at running point than Conley.
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Especially with Gobert instead of Marc, Z-Bo, and Valanciunas
 
NUMBERICA said:
Mike Conley shows great defensive skill but is short. Given that caveat, Isiah Thomas immediately comes to mind.

Kyle Lowry might also fit your criteria.

As might Tony Parker.

Anyway, I don't like this argument. Some correlation and 0 causation.
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Conley showED great defense. But he is nothing but a liability at this point, having a solid negative on both DRPM and DBPM this season. I don't think that is reversible given his aging/physical decline. So he's basically unusable if he doesn't make significant progress on offense, which IT, Parker and Lowry all had been solid at.
 
NUMBERICA said:
And if they're both right, then who goes to the bench...?

(I'm not actually stating that Conley coming off the bench is a feasible idea in reality)
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Everybody talks about the “Raptors Model”.... One of their hallmarks was how a couple of vets set their egos to one side and came off the bench........ Hmmmmm.
 
It is amazing to me how much Mudiay gets trashed but Conley doesn't.

The stats between Conley and Mudiay Per 36 minutes are not that much different.

Seems like a double standard to me.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Mike Conley shows great defensive skill but is short. Given that caveat, Isiah Thomas immediately comes to mind.

Kyle Lowry might also fit your criteria.

As might Tony Parker.

Anyway, I don't like this argument. Some correlation and 0 causation.
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Plus those teams didn't just bring in Parker/IT/Lowry, they were all already there in the beginning as part of what the team were to build on.

The Jazz, on the other hand, already had a solid foundation and Conley doesn't fit into any of that.
 
NUMBERICA said:
And if they're both right, then who goes to the bench...?

(I'm not actually stating that Conley coming off the bench is a feasible idea in reality)
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It has to begin and end with the quality of play that comes out of Gobert/Mitchell/Ingles/Bogey. Add from there, and subtract nothing.

Until he proves that he can complement those guys, Conley should just check out first early. Play him with the bench guys as much as possible, then play Clarkson or Royce in the 4th until Mike figures it out.

Coming back from injury is the perfect opportunity to redefine his role.
 
Engorged On Unborn Gore said:
It has to begin and end with the quality of play that comes out of Gobert/Mitchell/Ingles/Bogey. Add from there, and subtract nothing.

Until he proves that he can complement those guys, Conley should just check out first early. Play him with the bench guys as much as possible, then play Clarkson or Royce in the 4th until Mike figures it out.

Coming back from injury is the perfect opportunity to redefine his role.
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I'm not sure about the idea of him not closing, but I'm with you on the rest.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Mike Conley shows great defensive skill but is short. Given that caveat, Isiah Thomas immediately comes to mind.

Kyle Lowry might also fit your criteria.

As might Tony Parker.

Anyway, I don't like this argument. Some correlation and 0 causation.
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I’m not sure Parker was bad defensively. He wasn’t small. He was 6’4” iirc. Sorry, 6’2”. But that’s average.
 
mdalby said:
Most media are very defensive of Conley and at the same time negative towards Mudiay
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Can you blame them? Mike Conley's been a top 10 NBA point guard for a decade and Mudiay's been a bust his whole career. Conley definitely deserves respect from the media.
 
Here's something to consider. In the last 10 games since the schedule has eased up. How many people honestly miss Conley? Hardley doubt the number is very high.

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nateboz said:
Here's something to consider. In the last 10 games since the schedule has eased up. How many people honestly miss Conley? Hardley doubt the number is very high.

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That’s kind of like a guy getting fired but then getting a big tax refund and telling his wife “I bet you don’t miss my ****ing job now, do ya!?”
 
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