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2020 NBA trade deadline discussion

With Niang and Bradley playing well I really don’t see us making a move.
Has been my feeling. It's been nice the past few games, but we're turning a blind eye if that's the case. Harden may actually kill us at the rim if we're playing Bradley in the playoffs. I've been impressed with him the past 2-3 games, but it's silly to move forward based on such a small sample size. I wish we used the "don't read too much into small sample sizes" on both sides of the equation. I feel FO only applies that when things aren't working out, but not when we're currently on the benefiting end of a fluke.
 
Has been my feeling. It's been nice the past few games, but we're turning a blind eye if that's the case. Harden may actually kill us at the rim if we're playing Bradley in the playoffs. I've been impressed with him the past 2-3 games, but it's silly to move forward based on such a small sample size. I wish we used the "don't read too much into small sample sizes" on both sides of the equation. I feel FO only applies that when things aren't working out, but not when we're currently on the benefiting end of a fluke.
Unless an obvious upgrade deal walks through the door we hold... if these guys play well in the small sample it at least boosts their trade value.
 
I said it a while ago but I think we'll sign a player who is waived come deadline time. We could well send out someone like Davis for a 2nd to open up the roster spot.
 
A 6'6" big man that shoots 39% from the field that the Rockets cut?
Something tells me he isn't the final answer for the Jazz.

Not sure what you're trying to say with the 39%? That was almost exclusively from 3. Houston cut him for monetary reasons (they pulled some of the same stuff last season with House, who is certainly a NBA player).

I'm not saying it'd be some huge game changer, but I do think he brings us a new look that could help us out (certainly more than NWG).
 
Not sure what you're trying to say with the 39%? That was almost exclusively from 3. Houston cut him for monetary reasons (they pulled some of the same stuff last season with House, who is certainly a NBA player).

I'm not saying it'd be some huge game changer, but I do think he brings us a new look that could help us out (certainly more than NWG).
I kind of like him but I’d rather see Morgan or Brantley get some run over him. I think Morgan could be a defensive stud.
 
I’m cool sticking with Niang and Bradley. Niang is shooting the **** out of the ball and outside of the Detroit game he’s been playable defensively. Bradley is always gonna be meh but he’s playable and average... replace Mudiay minutes for Conley minutes and honestly we should be damn good. Outside of some team getting dumb and gifting us Aaron Baynes or something similar I just don’t see the acquisition price being worth it.
 
We are slowly eliminating our hugely negative guys... Green was first and we got a bump... JC gave us a bump... then moving Ed out of the rotation and we got a bump. When Mudiay's minutes are replace by Conley then we get another bump. Mudiay may not completely evaporate from the rotation, and he hasn't been bad imo… but he's our most negative guy in the current rotation. I think Niang moving more into the PF slot and playing less as a SF/wing has helped him be productive.

A lot of these guys we are looking at like Bjelica, Bertans, Morri twins, are likely upgrades to Niang… but I'm not sure it is by nearly as much as most think... He's hitting a high percentage on a high volume and doing so in limited minutes... really tough to do as a shooter... I doubt the others would be as good in this role.

Any upgrades we do to the bench unit are things that win us a maybe an extra game or two in the regular season and don't really raise the ceiling of this team. Outside of swapping Mike for CP3 I'm not sure there is a ceiling raising move out there. I don't think we have the stones to do that deal... there are some financial consequences of that type of move... but I think that move really would make us a contender.
 
Anyone hoping for Blake Griffin is out of luck. He just had knee surgery and his season is likely over.
 
We are slowly eliminating our hugely negative guys... Green was first and we got a bump... JC gave us a bump... then moving Ed out of the rotation and we got a bump. When Mudiay's minutes are replace by Conley then we get another bump. Mudiay may not completely evaporate from the rotation, and he hasn't been bad imo… but he's our most negative guy in the current rotation. I think Niang moving more into the PF slot and playing less as a SF/wing has helped him be productive.

A lot of these guys we are looking at like Bjelica, Bertans, Morri twins, are likely upgrades to Niang… but I'm not sure it is by nearly as much as most think... He's hitting a high percentage on a high volume and doing so in limited minutes... really tough to do as a shooter... I doubt the others would be as good in this role.

Any upgrades we do to the bench unit are things that win us a maybe an extra game or two in the regular season and don't really raise the ceiling of this team. Outside of swapping Mike for CP3 I'm not sure there is a ceiling raising move out there. I don't think we have the stones to do that deal... there are some financial consequences of that type of move... but I think that move really would make us a contender.
I'd counter with a few things here..

Aside from Bjelica, none of those guys can we get. But, that said, Bjelica is a legitimate upgrade because of size, because he's a legitimate rebounder, and because he can certainly be relied upon to score much more so than Niang. The Morris twins are primarily for size and defense and a body to throw at bigger wings/4s. Bertans would have some serious gravity. I know the argument is that Niang shoots an equivalent precentage, but Bertans is a guy who can shoot over guys and will light it up from absolutely anywhere on the floor, and he gets that off quick. Niang is good, but he's not Korver good. Bertans may be Korver good. And his 10.4 three point attempts per 36 may be a new record.

But I think we're being lulled into passivity here. We've had an easy stretch and there will come a point where we'll want to sell low again. Rolling into the playoffs with Bradley and Niang as your backup frontcourt is a problem. We'll look back on this and think "well they were playing well and we were winning so the decision to stick with it made sense at the time." At the very minimum we need an Udoh.
 
If we're moving on from Ed Davis then I think the Jazz will be in the market for another 5. Either through a small trade or on the buyout market. Tony has played well in stretches and has shown potential. But he is not consistent yet, he's inexperienced and most importantly we may not be able to put him on the floor against certain teams in the playoffs. The Jazz could add another 5 and split the backup minutes between the two. Play whoever matches up better with the opponent on a given night.
 
I'd counter with a few things here..

Aside from Bjelica, none of those guys can we get. But, that said, Bjelica is a legitimate upgrade because of size, because he's a legitimate rebounder, and because he can certainly be relied upon to score much more so than Niang. The Morris twins are primarily for size and defense and a body to throw at bigger wings/4s. Bertans would have some serious gravity. I know the argument is that Niang shoots an equivalent precentage, but Bertans is a guy who can shoot over guys and will light it up from absolutely anywhere on the floor, and he gets that off quick. Niang is good, but he's not Korver good. Bertans may be Korver good. And his 10.4 three point attempts per 36 may be a new record.

But I think we're being lulled into passivity here. We've had an easy stretch and there will come a point where we'll want to sell low again. Rolling into the playoffs with Bradley and Niang as your backup frontcourt is a problem. We'll look back on this and think "well they were playing well and we were winning so the decision to stick with it made sense at the time." At the very minimum we need an Udoh.

I guess where I get stuck is upgrading Niang to Bjelica (I agree its an upgrade)… where does that get you? is it the difference between winning and losing a playoff series? The Morris twins might be if you need to guard Kawhi/Lebron... but they come with baggage that may actually cost you some regular season games. Then you add in acquisition price and I'm just not sure its worth it. I think Marcus is out of the budget range and Markieff is consistently hurt... so I'm not sure they are really good options for this exercise.

The highest upside option might be playing Morgan imo. I think the main issue is that Niang and Bradley are 82 game rotation guys... not 16 game rotation guys... we need 16 game players and I'm not sure Bjelica, Bertans, Portis, would be awesome playoff pieces and they might have the same issues as Niang. Morgan might have the defensive ability to be a playoff rotation piece... pure speculation on my part obviously.

I guess I just don't see the guy that swings a playoff series or really changes things for us. Outside of Baynes, Wood (small sample... he might not be this good)… I'm not sure there is an obvious upgrade and I think its kinda window dressing... we are a 2nd round playoff type team maybe conference finals if things broke perfectly. Only an upgrade at the top would change that for me.
 
I think the Conley, DM backcourt may have some size issues against some of the western conference playoff teams. I wonder if having CP... a guy that can guard way above his height... would be a big bonus. Remember him causing Gordon issues... or at least hanging with him defensively a few years ago. He's just strong, has great hands, and the refs give him a ton of leeway.
 
I also think CP can still get and make that 15 footer almost whenever he wants... that's a valuable shot when the playoffs come around and the game slows down.
 
Over the last 5 - 10 games, the Jazz have had $37M in payroll that hasn't been performing on the court. Obviously, Conley can come back and play fine, and we can keep Ed Davis as a "break glass in case of emergency" backup 5, but I think the Jazz are likely to make some kind of move. I don't think the Jazz would take back a long contract like CP, Kevin Love, or Al Horford. I think they'd look at guys like Portis and Aminu who can guard big, athletic forwards without screwing other things up too much.

I could also see Detroit being willing to take Conley as part of a three-team deal involving Drummond.
 
I think it’s unlikely that the jazz move Conley. Moving a vet and a guy making big money that quickly is bad form. It would make it really difficult for the Jazz to sign good players in the future because players would remember mike getting shipped off after 20 games of under performing. I think it hurts the team too much long-term to move him. And nobody wants Ed Davis so it’s unlikely we move him and get anything serviceable in return.

If Conley is willing to be moved, I could see it as a possibility. He was traded here, remember. He didn't choose Utah as a free agent.
 
If we're moving on from Ed Davis then I think the Jazz will be in the market for another 5. Either through a small trade or on the buyout market. Tony has played well in stretches and has shown potential. But he is not consistent yet, he's inexperienced and most importantly we may not be able to put him on the floor against certain teams in the playoffs. The Jazz could add another 5 and split the backup minutes between the two. Play whoever matches up better with the opponent on a given night.
I think Tony is consistent. He just has a low ceiling.

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I think Tony is consistent. He just has a low ceiling.

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If Tony and Georges both still play at a solid level they may even be the pieces that help you nab a Baynes or another upgrade. When Phoenix or other teams fold they may look at two solid cheap bench pieces as enough incentive (with a second rd pick or two) to send out a better piece on an expiring deal. Keep playing them and see what shakes loose.

Side note- Baynes shooting has really fallen off. Something to monitor.
 
Aminu is having surgery on his knee... he is basically out for the year... scratch him from the list.
 
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