The ludicrous idea of starting Wood over Bojan.
When Wood shoots 30% on 3's next year and looks like an average player Im going to laugh.
Starting =/= being better than. You simply cannot sign Wood to have him come off the bench, Ingles needs to start, and Bojan is a defensive liability and a mouth to feed on offense. The fit is better off the bench.
LoPo
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Its not like trading Rudy brings back zero in return.
Sure, summer 2021 sucks if Rudy walks and Conley too, but that's not what people are proposing.
Its keep Rudy at a fair contract or trade him if he demands too much. Can't just let him walk.
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By what metric?
And you think Wood is good at defense because...
Bojan is a 40% 3pt shooter for the last 3 seasons, the past one being on high volume. He is bad on D, but he isnt bad enough to make it to where Wood would be a better option.
Wood would be a bad fit on Utah and he is being highly overrated.
LoPo
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Depends on the team. If he is the only player on a really bad team again, I'm not going to judge him if he struggles. As long as he dominates a game here and there, he can still be legit. Like Kevin Love, etc.
Who you get to play with really, really matters especially if you are a big.
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There is about a 0% chance the Jazz can sign Wood, so I really have no idea why yall obsess over him so much.
Set your eyes towards something within the realm of possibility and makes sense on this team, like Derrick Jones Jr/Derrick Favors.
Set your eyes towards something within the realm of possibility and makes sense on this team, like Derrick Jones Jr/Derrick Favors.
Joe has been almost unplayable at times in the playoffs last 2 years. His defense has slipped a lot and he wont shoot open shots and kills our offense with those. Bojan creates more for himself on offense, scores more points, spaces the floor better, gets to the FT line more, and his defense is about the same now. Ingles passes better but not enough to make up for the large gap in offense that Bojan gives us.
I like Ingles but he just does not seem to care about basketball as much and father time is catching up with him. I think he needs to move to the bench full-time next year or we will struggle. That said I hope we get someone like Favors who he can play the pick and roll with. He was much better with Favors than Gobert.
Link below but Bojan had a better net rating for our team in the regular season. He was 2nd behind Gobert. Bojan also had a better player impact estimate. He was 3rd behind Gobert and Mitchell. We didnt get to see Bojan in the playoffs with this team I doubt he would have regressed as much as Ingles did. Also people are remembering Bojan towards the end of the season when he was playing through his injury that was effecting his game.
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I also think you are equating Ingles not starting and Conley coming in. Early in the season Conley was terrible that was the bigger effect on the team than Ingles needing to play with Gobert. We saw later in the season and in the playoffs that was not the case. Ingles does get the most assists to Gobert but its a pretty low number at 1.3 per game. Number 2 on that list is to Bojan at 0.9. But on the flip side Gobert gets most of his assists to Bojan.
Last year Ingles passed the ball the most to Favors, I think that was a much better role for Ingles. He played a lot more with the second unit and excelled there. This year we just didnt have anyone to pass the ball too. This more points to needing better backup bigs than an argument to start Ingles.
Seems like a really long answer to a really simple, quantified question.Joe has been almost unplayable at times in the playoffs last 2 years. His defense has slipped a lot and he wont shoot open shots and kills our offense with those. Bojan creates more for himself on offense, scores more points, spaces the floor better, gets to the FT line more, and his defense is about the same now. Ingles passes better but not enough to make up for the large gap in offense that Bojan gives us.
I like Ingles but he just does not seem to care about basketball as much and father time is catching up with him. I think he needs to move to the bench full-time next year or we will struggle. That said I hope we get someone like Favors who he can play the pick and roll with. He was much better with Favors than Gobert.
Link below but Bojan had a better net rating for our team in the regular season. He was 2nd behind Gobert. Bojan also had a better player impact estimate. He was 3rd behind Gobert and Mitchell. We didnt get to see Bojan in the playoffs with this team I doubt he would have regressed as much as Ingles did. Also people are remembering Bojan towards the end of the season when he was playing through his injury that was effecting his game.
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I also think you are equating Ingles not starting and Conley coming in. Early in the season Conley was terrible that was the bigger effect on the team than Ingles needing to play with Gobert. We saw later in the season and in the playoffs that was not the case. Ingles does get the most assists to Gobert but its a pretty low number at 1.3 per game. Number 2 on that list is to Bojan at 0.9. But on the flip side Gobert gets most of his assists to Bojan.
Last year Ingles passed the ball the most to Favors, I think that was a much better role for Ingles. He played a lot more with the second unit and excelled there. This year we just didnt have anyone to pass the ball too. This more points to needing better backup bigs than an argument to start Ingles.
Ingles has a better BPM, VORP, and WS/48. If we’re talking about winning games and not who’s better at scoring those are some indicators
If you can’t plainly see how well Ingles plays with Gobert and how much Gobert and everyone else benefits when they play together by now then I do not know what to tell you. It should also be noted that the aforementioned stats include Joe’s absolutely abysmal start to the season, and that he has the highest AST% and assist ratio on the team.
Lastly, the team had more good scorers (“players to pass to”) than anytime in living memory. We didn’t have depth/our bench was pure garbage (until we got Clarkson), we had too many mouths to feed in our main lineups when healthy, and the Jazz played bad defense.
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I gave other indicators that are much more applicable to winning than those stats, thats a very direct quantified answer. But the numbers you gave are advanced numbers that favor Ingles and have some merit. However come playoff time Ingles has not been helpful the last couple years.
Ingles was not great with Gobert in the playoffs this year or last. Last year he was only good in the playoffs with Favors. Ingles has been very bad the last 2 years. 3 of Ingles 4 playoff seasons have been really bad. Ingles is better in the regular season when defenses are not clamped down.
Also Ingles played much much better in the 2nd unit with Favors than he has with Gobert ever in his career. Your argument for a weak bench and too many players needing the ball in their hands is more reason for Ingles to be on the bench not less. He takes the ball out of better players hands in the starting unit. Also when Conley started playing well he filled that role much better than Ingles. If Conley is here I would rather him have the ball in his hands with the second unit and Mitchell with the first.