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Jazz select Udoka Azubuike with pick 27 & trade Tony Bradley + pick 38 to the Pistons

Handlogten's Heros said:
Can’t pass, shoot, dribble, or move on the perimeter. He’s a poor mans Boban. He’s going to be as effective as about 10 players we could get on the open market at somewhere between the minimum and the BAE. We are assuming he will be ready now but he is likely to **** up the offense as hard or harder than Ed in his first year.

Also a budget Deandre Jordan gets played off the floor by round 2 of the playoffs. The move shows how our management can’t be flexible or innovative. We play the same way all the time... even though nba teams have proved they can beat that style in the playoffs.
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There are not many players who have the physical capabilities of Udoka and on top of that Udoka seems to have a high character. Not that Boban needs to jump much but Dok is a better athlete in every aspect.

I don't agree with Davis comparison. Ed's screens were more like slips and his rolls were for positioning for offensive rebounding rather than a pass. He also didn't have touch needed from a below the rim player. Udoka will set harder screens, he already shows good positioning on rolls and under the rim and he can dunk the **** out of everything.

We can still be flexible with Rudy Gobert but that depends on free agency. Switch, blitz, hedge he will still be effective at it.

Udoka is a band-aid, it is easier to insert a rim presence than sending away JC, reducing Ingles and Niang's role and getting 2-3 proven wing defenders.
 
The Thriller said:
We’re never going to our small ball the best small ball teams out there. Having more bigs is an advantage. Lakers wouldn’t have reached the finals if not for their deep collection of bigmen. I think some of your are severely underrating the advantage of having a solid backup to Gobert. You’re also purposely ignoring that we upgraded our wings by adding hughes. And are overrating Woodward and Bane as if we just missed out on Kevin Durant.
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I agree that having a big is fine. My problem is that we rely on a traditional big for every phase and minute of our game. Some project that the goal with Udoka is to have either Rudy or Udoka on the floor at all times. That is completely irresponsible if that's the case.

Big men are good. Always a big man is foolish.

As for Hughes, we can't count on him at this point and time. I like the potential though

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LoPo said:
I agree that having a big is fine. My problem is that we rely on a traditional big for every phase and minute of our game. Some project that the goal with Udoka is to have either Rudy or Udoka on the floor at all times. That is completely irresponsible if that's the case.

Big men are good. Always a big man is foolish.

As for Hughes, we can't count on him at this point and time. I like the potential though

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Which is why we are fixing to trade Rudy. Stamp it. We need a thread about it, LoPo.
 
LoPo said:
I agree that having a big is fine. My problem is that we rely on a traditional big for every phase and minute of our game. Some project that the goal with Udoka is to have either Rudy or Udoka on the floor at all times. That is completely irresponsible if that's the case.

Big men are good. Always a big man is foolish.

As for Hughes, we can't count on him at this point and time. I like the potential though

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Why can’t we count on Hughes? Who could we have counted on instead? And why? I want specifics
 
str8line said:
Which is why we are fixing to trade Rudy. Stamp it. We need a thread about it, LoPo.
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Lol. It would seem to make sense.

I already did. Atlanta makes sense. I doubt Boston gives us Brown. Charlotte doesn't have the assets. Brooklyn doesn't seem likely. The Clippers lack the assets. Dallas lacks the assets. Indiana is interesting but probably lacks the assets.

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Hekate said:
There are not many players who have the physical capabilities of Udoka and on top of that Udoka seems to have a high character. Not that Boban needs to jump much but Dok is a better athlete in every aspect.

I don't agree with Davis comparison. Ed's screens were more like slips and his rolls were for positioning for offensive rebounding rather than a pass. He also didn't have touch needed from a below the rim player. Udoka will set harder screens, he already shows good positioning on rolls and under the rim and he can dunk the **** out of everything.

We can still be flexible with Rudy Gobert but that depends on free agency. Switch, blitz, hedge he will still be effective at it.

Udoka is a band-aid, it is easier to insert a rim presence than sending away JC, reducing Ingles and Niang's role and getting 2-3 proven wing defenders.
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Cool... tell me how well Udoka gonna pass from the elbow... go watch the tape he misses obvious ****ing reads constantly. Will set bigger screens and have value as a rim runner... great.

Defense he protects the paint... great. He's also a ****ing turnstyle on the perimeter and won't be able to recover to shooters or to the ball handling guards.

IFFFF he develops he's high character Whiteside... we could get a guy at the minimum that will be better at doing what rookie Udoka is supposedly good at.

Xavier Tillman does all the things you want from a modern big except shoot and he's shown some signs of maybe being able to do that. If we wanted a band aid big that's fine... pick a better target. We are aiming at the wrong ****... how much you want to bet that either Ed or another vet end up being our backup center? DL and Quin hate relying on unproven players. They crave the certainty of vanilla ice cream.
 
The Thriller said:
Why can’t we count on Hughes? Who could we have counted on instead? And why? I want specifics
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It's tough to take one prospect or rookie and say we can count on him... that's why you take a couple and hope one hits. There is a saying about eggs and baskets that is relevant here.
 
Not even Rudy was ready to be the backup center for a playoff team his rookie year. I'm sure this kid steps in and is fire from day one... I'm sure Quin won't go to a more reliable vet and will be just fine struggling through the rookie brain farts...
 
There is this new spin that is going on right now trying to convince us that Azubuike is a good pick because now we have "48 minutes of great defense". I cannot stress enough how much of a BS this is.

It's like... it's just a given that a guy drafted at the end of the first will be worthy sub for 2 time DPOY , 3 times All NBA center. Like oh yeah... sure... that's like 48 minutes of elite rim protection now, right? Like wut? Why the hell would he drop to 27 if he was that much of a surefire rim protector and defensive presence? There is nothing certain about Azubuike! We don't know if he will be good or not defensively, we don't know if he will be good rolling to the rim at that level... we don't know whether he will make good decisions on the short roll(under 1AST per game and 2.5TO per game suggest that maybe not)... ironically the most surefire thing we know about him is that he will very likely miss most of his FTAs... that's it...
 
The Thriller said:
So improve upon the wings. You can find decent wings everywhere. Udoka is elite talent. You don’t just find 7 footers that can jump out of the gym like that.

I think the real focus is Conley. I didn’t want Conley. Seems like that’s the elephant in the room that some of you are ignoring. Rather than bash this draft why not focus on getting rid of the worthless aging 4 foot PG we have?
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A lot of us didn't want Conley. It made no sense then and it makes no sense now.
 
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