Are the Jazz going to trade Rudy?

[infection]

Nice, I'm all for Lindsey pumping up his own players - as long as he doesn't start believing it!

Yeah, it's that latter part that's the problem. And to combine two thread discussions into one, don't be surprised if we dump Conley mid-season for Exum.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I hope it's not the same analytics model that told them Tony Bradley is a top 10 prospect. It's very possible that model overvalues something insignificant like individual rebounding for example.

He was high in some defensive box plus minus and other measure... Tillman was higher but whatevs.

it very well be an archaic PER or similar measure that values rebounding and a high FG%. Having him top 10 on a big board is uhhhhh bold?

 

[infection]

He was high in some defensive box plus minus and other measure... Tillman was higher but whatevs.

it very well be an archaic PER or similar measure that values rebounding and a high FG%. Having him top 10 on a big board is uhhhhh bold?

Here would have been my follow-up question:

Since they felt taking him at 23 would be a reach, and since they discovered analytics that had him as top 10, why were they comfortable trading back and landing him when it's conceivably possible that other teams could have beat them to this discovery and snatched him up from us?

 

[Hekate]

I am pretty sure Jazz use multiple analytics model when evaluating talent quite possibly with different ones for different roles.

 

[One Brow]

Here would have been my follow-up question:

Since they felt taking him at 23 would be a reach, and since they discovered analytics that had him as top 10, why were they comfortable trading back and landing him when it's conceivably possible that other teams could have beat them to this discovery and snatched him up from us?

Perhaps they felt he wouldn't even be available at 23, and were surprised that he dropped to 27. Perhaps they are just lying.

 

[infection]

Perhaps they felt he wouldn't even be available at 23, and were surprised that he dropped to 27. Perhaps they are just lying.

The BSing part doesn't even bother me. It's the fact that they wave their hands and say these aren't the droids we're looking for, the media rolls over, then trickles down to "lol u so stupid" when anyone points out the obvious.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I don't think it would be out of the realm of possibilities that the Jazz would want to wait a year and see what they might have in Azubuike. He's 7 years younger and on a rookie deal. I could see a scenario happen where he comes in and shows real potential and the Jazz move Gobert based on that potential. That's a lot of $ that could be spent upgrading the rest of the roster but also a huge risk. Obviously you might piss Gobert off by not just getting an extension done this year & Azubuike ends up being awful then Gobert walking at the end of his deal but that would be worst case scenario. It'll be interesting to see what happens.

K, but just know that the Jazz won’t be able to use those savings to get under the cap. It’ll just be money in ownership’s pocket and the ability to use the MLE again.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

In the interview DL made it sound like the Jazz's decision may be based on how the team performs during the season.

So like half way through if they are doing just OK, they waive a NWG, get under the tax and operate under the tax.

If they are doing exceptionally well, maybe they make a trade that brings on salary?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

The Rudy gonna get traded meter goes much higher if they come into training camp without a deal.

 

[infection]

In the interview DL made it sound like the Jazz's decision may be based on how the team performs during the season.

So like half way through if they are doing just OK, they waive a NWG, get under the tax and operate under the tax.

If they are doing exceptionally well, maybe they make a trade that brings on salary?

This would be nice if it’s a consistent rubric we can reference and gauge or moves against. If we ended up making moves to get under the tax and are told it doesn’t mean what they previously said it would mean.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

In the interview DL made it sound like the Jazz's decision may be based on how the team performs during the season.

So like half way through if they are doing just OK, they waive a NWG, get under the tax and operate under the tax.

If they are doing exceptionally well, maybe they make a trade that brings on salary?

The math doesn’t work though. Even if they waive him tomorrow they are short by a few hundred thousand.... assuming they are allowed to go down to 12 regular contracts and 2 two ways you’d need to cut Niang or Morgan or trade a rotation player.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

The math doesn’t work though. Even if they waive him tomorrow they are short by a few hundred thousand.... assuming they are allowed to go down to 12 regular contracts and 2 two ways you’d need to cut Niang or Morgan or trade a rotation player.

You sure? Spotrac has them only being 300k above currently, so wouldn't a cut to NWG bring that below?

 

[NAOS]

The math doesn’t work though. Even if they waive him tomorrow they are short by a few hundred thousand.... assuming they are allowed to go down to 12 regular contracts and 2 two ways you’d need to cut Niang or Morgan or trade a rotation player.

You sure? Spotrac has them only being 300k above currently, so wouldn't a cut to NWG bring that below?

It’s almost like we should have a local media that knows how to ask some ****ing questions.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

The logic and consistency doesn’t have to be perfect but I’d like it to be more believable. We are constantly left grasping at weird ideas they might be considering. I get it we don’t have perfect knowledge... I think we have enough to see there are issues and that we don’t have to believe everything we are told... to be fair they don’t have to tell us either.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

You sure? Spotrac has them only being 300k above currently, so wouldn't a cut to NWG bring that below?

I’m not sure. But I think it’s closer to 1.8M over the tax based on what I’ve seen and my own math using capulator.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

You sure? Spotrac has them only being 300k above currently, so wouldn't a cut to NWG bring that below?

 

[infection]

I’m not sure. But I think it’s closer to 1.8M over the tax based on what I’ve seen and my own math using capulator.

Yeah, you have capulator, but DL was able to throw our cap numbers into the formula they used for Udoka being top 10. What I'm trying to say is we're good and you don't need to worry.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I trust Dan’s math and it jives with my calcs. Sounds like we have to go to 14 contracts. If they waived NWG and signed Shaq I think I will stop complaining for 6 weeks.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Interesting. I really wonder what kind of move they are about to make. Everything does feel a bit weird.

 

[Eminence]

It's very obvious they didn't value Udoka that highly or they never would've traded down, there's no way to be that certain about other front offices. No idea why we'd put out that type of stuff now.