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If the Jazz picked up RHJ, I'd understand it more than the Ferrell acquisition. But he does have a very serious flaw.
  • One of the worst 3 point shooters in the league (literally Favors-level bad)
  • Though he mostly stopped shooting 3s last year, his EFG% and TS% remain distressingly low for an inside player; at the same time, he shoots too often for someone with such bad results; he still probably still believes too much in himself offensively
Think of all the bad experiences when we were depending on the the likes of Rubio, Ronnie Brewer, etc., and how they ineffective they could be rendered when the defense had a little time to game plan for them. They were far better outside shooters than RHJ. So multiply your anxiety a couple of times to get what RHJ would offer offensively if we needed him in an important situation.

I'd also caution about exaggerating his size. Though he does probably indeed play bigger and tougher than his size, he is only 6-6, 220 or so -- just middling size for a SF. He plays 3/4 due to his skillset and a good level of toughness, not because he has particularly good size.

Though he'd add an element we don't currently have with his hustle, decent playmaking/rebounding, and good/versatile (if sometimes overrated) defense at that particular size slot, I'm having a hard time imagining him as anything more than a change-of-pace/shake things up type of option every few games or so. I don't think he could ever be considered a key to helping us match up with the big wings in our conference. His lack of shooting is just too significant.
 
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1. People need to watch the video in the OP. It’s more helpful and telling than a highlight video.

2. People need to watch Jim’s Ingram video. I haven’t watched it because PTSD. But that game highlights our problems we’re going to have if/when we meet teams with bigger wings that shoot over us. Meeting a Durant, Giannis, Kawhi, LeBron, or even Ingram in the playoffs will be problematic if we’re relying exclusively on guys 6’4” or smaller to be the primary defenders. Morgan is nice on theory, but that’s just not going to work. This isn’t something we can afford to recognize in hindsight. Our window really is now. We probably lose Mike next year, Ingles continues decline, and we’ll have our hands significantly tied. We have a nice space station. Powerful, even, but there’s this small little area that if you shoot it, the space station blows up. We kinda shrug our shoulders and think “nah, we’ve got some fighter pilots that would stop anyone from shooting that. NBD.”
 
Catchall said:
Yogi Ferrell is on an Exhibit-10 deal. He's likely going to the G-league. There's still a roster spot open if the Jazz want to use it.
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Thanks. Hadn't seen this before, but now see Tony Jones is reporting it. That makes more sense.

Man, life is tough for these fringe players this year. Lots of guys that can clearly play in the league are needing to settle for the G-League.
 
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If the Jazz picked up RHJ, I'd understand it more than the Ferrell acquisition. But he does have a very serious flaw.
  • One of the worst 3 point shooters in the league (literally Favors-level bad)
  • Though he mostly stopped shooting 3s last year, his EFG% and TS% remain distressingly low for an inside player; at the same time, he shoots too often for someone with such bad results; he still probably still believes too much in himself offensively
Think of all the bad experiences when we were depending on the the likes of Rubio, Ronnie Brewer, etc., and how they ineffective they could be rendered when the defense had a little time to game plan for them. They were far better outside shooters than RHJ. So multiply your anxiety a couple of times to get what RHJ would offer offensively if we needed him in an important situation.

I'd also caution about exaggerating his size. Though he does probably indeed play bigger and tougher than his size, he is only 6-6, 220 or so -- just middling size for a SF. He plays 3/4 due to his skillset and a good level of toughness, not because he has particularly good size.

Though he'd add an element we don't currently have with his hustle, decent playmaking/rebounding, and good/versatile (if sometimes overrated) defense at that particular size slot, I'm having a hard time imagining him as anything more than a change-of-pace/shake things up type of option every few games or so. I don't think he could ever be considered a key to helping us match up with the big wings in our conference.
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Some good points here. I’ll try to address:

1. I think he’s similar to Rubio. He’s a guy with some serious and obvious flaws, but he does a lot on the court that you may not appreciate that’s really helping you. I don’t think he’s like Brewer at all because I didn’t ever think Brewer was that good of a defender and wasn’t a super energy guy.

2. He’s definitely not LeBron’s size. I don’t want to imply that he’s an equivalent in terms of size, but when we’re comparing this against our other options, it’s a big enough difference. You can’t put Shaq on some of these guys. You can put Royce on some of them, but he’s literally the only guy that you can. You need at least two guys you can alternate.

3. I don’t think he’d be a main cog. He’s not the main difference in a series. BUT, I think something like what happened to us with Murray is a good comparison. We just didn’t have any different options to throw at him in spurts to slow him down or at least make it hard on him. Having an option like Shaq is big because if you can throw in on him for 15 minutes, it may be enough to minimize a bit of momentum that may have a larger effect than the defense alone in those 15 minutes. We have absolutely nothing like that for the bigger 3/4s, and I think his impact can be felt much louder than the 15 minutes. It’s a game of runs and momentum. If you prevent the gas from being poured on the fire, you may never get the credit that those who put out the fire got, but if that gas gets near the flames, we’re absolutely ****ed.
 
infection said:
Some good points here. I’ll try to address:

1. I think he’s similar to Rubio. He’s a guy with some serious and obvious flaws, but he does a lot on the court that you may not appreciate that’s really helping you. I don’t think he’s like Brewer at all because I didn’t ever think Brewer was that good of a defender and wasn’t a super energy guy.

2. He’s definitely not LeBron’s size. I don’t want to imply that he’s an equivalent in terms of size, but when we’re comparing this against our other options, it’s a big enough difference. You can’t put Shaq on some of these guys. You can put Royce on some of them, but he’s literally the only guy that you can. You need at least two guys you can alternate.

3. I don’t think he’d be a main cog. He’s not the main difference in a series. BUT, I think something like what happened to us with Murray is a good comparison. We just didn’t have any different options to throw at him in spurts to slow him down or at least make it hard on him. Having an option like Shaq is big because if you can throw in on him for 15 minutes, it may be enough to minimize a bit of momentum that may have a larger effect than the defense alone in those 15 minutes. We have absolutely nothing like that for the bigger 3/4s, and I think his impact can be felt much louder than the 15 minutes. It’s a game of runs and momentum. If you prevent the gas from being poured on the fire, you may never get the credit that those who put out the fire got, but if that gas gets near the flames, we’re absolutely ****ed.
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I think Yogi was signed to be a Stars star.
 
infection said:
Some good points here. I’ll try to address:

1. I think he’s similar to Rubio. He’s a guy with some serious and obvious flaws, but he does a lot on the court that you may not appreciate that’s really helping you. I don’t think he’s like Brewer at all because I didn’t ever think Brewer was that good of a defender and wasn’t a super energy guy.

2. He’s definitely not LeBron’s size. I don’t want to imply that he’s an equivalent in terms of size, but when we’re comparing this against our other options, it’s a big enough difference. You can’t put Shaq on some of these guys. You can put Royce on some of them, but he’s literally the only guy that you can. You need at least two guys you can alternate.

3. I don’t think he’d be a main cog. He’s not the main difference in a series. BUT, I think something like what happened to us with Murray is a good comparison. We just didn’t have any different options to throw at him in spurts to slow him down or at least make it hard on him. Having an option like Shaq is big because if you can throw in on him for 15 minutes, it may be enough to minimize a bit of momentum that may have a larger effect than the defense alone in those 15 minutes. We have absolutely nothing like that for the bigger 3/4s, and I think his impact can be felt much louder than the 15 minutes. It’s a game of runs and momentum. If you prevent the gas from being poured on the fire, you may never get the credit that those who put out the fire got, but if that gas gets near the flames, we’re absolutely ****ed.
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Very good post.

He basically offers experience and competence in the same defensive role we've been hoping that Brantley would grow into (though with very different body types and offensive games). I'm certainly not against seeing if he'll come to the Jazz.
 
All-in-all, he would make us more well-rounded. We’d have an energy and toughness guy that we don’t really have. He’d be Shaq at the next weight class. He’d put us at a legit 10-deep squad.
 
Saying we don’t need RHJ because we have Royce is like the 2018-2019 Jazz saying they don’t need Bogdanovic or Korver because they have Ingles. It’s like saying we don’t need Favors because we have Gobert. Or saying you don’t need lunch because you ate breakfast.
 
RJH not yet technically a FA. From hoopsrumors.com:

Since Hollis-Jefferson was on a non-guaranteed one-year, minimum-salary contract, a team with interest would be able to claim him off waivers on Monday using the minimum salary exception. If he goes unclaimed, he’ll return to the free agent market.
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