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whatthe said:
Oh so we need 2 months or 3 weeks? What's best? I don't really get it. Did you have a whole month growing up? No you didn't. The argument is weak.

If you just have one day, then you are racist? Do we need to write one paper or 30 papers on the topic? Listen, we should have it, but this is just stupid arguing about the amount of time.
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The big thing that you are missing here is that if you're white, you're automatically a racist. That has become the cultural norm push for libs to pretend that we live in a minority slavery state.
 
campaignist said:
I have some of my grandpas old history school books, from the 1940s. Your draw would drop at how racist they are.

if you think African American history is taught to an even remotely comprehensive or acceptable amount, you’re pretty ignorant of it. Which is normal-that’s the problem. I had no idea how little I actually knew until I went to the African American history museum in DC. It’s utterly appalling how much they just don’t cover in schools.

I’d be all in favor of doing away with Black History month if I was confident it would be covered during the rest of the year, so that most Americans would know there’s more to black history than slavery and MLK. I’m not confident that would happen, so we have to settle for a month for now.
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It should be covered all year as US history. Just like anything else that is/was relevant to our country's history and culture roots.

If it's US history, teach it. Seems pretty simple to me.
 

https://www.ksl.com/article/5010309...out-option-for-black-history-month-activities​

Ogden school removes opt-out option for Black History Month activities​


This is the KSL story and headline. For me there is a huge difference between activities and curriculum. Maybe it was curriculum, maybe it was activities. One of the two outlets should correct themselves, but they won't. Also, what's with the news only reporting a headline. What are the activities? What was said in the request from the 3 parents to opt out? How did the opt out form read?​

(no idea why the above is formatted different, don't judge my computer skills:eek:)

Why is everybody guilty until proven innocent anymore?

https://www.ksl.com/article/5010243...ivities-director-says-hes-deeply-disappointed

This article gives some more insight on the feelings of the director. It sounds like the director is Japanese and talks about his parents being in internment camps. It shows he was uncomfortable allowing the opt out, but felt obligated.

After reading the second article, it looks like curriculum may be the correct word based upon the director's comments. This stuff is still hard for me to take at face value. My father has made the news from time to time, and he was never quoted correctly and it was also common to remove context from his comments. Generally its not a good thing to make the news, but he rarely felt that they were fair to what was really happening.

The point of the above is a plea to wait to pass judgement on people. I would add to allow people to correct their actions and change. The parents ended up rescinding their opt out. Hopefully it was for the right reasons and consider it's possible they learned something out of the experience. I think changing people is the point of putting all this on the front page, right?
 
A few things:

1. Nobody actually USED an opt out form. Some people had concerns about the curriculum, met with administrators, had concerns resolved. As a parent I like to review ALL "new" curriculum. I have never opted out or even had much of a discussion after that.

2. Nowhere does it say what the curriculum was or who was in charge of teaching it.

3. Montesori schools are like by Hippies for Hippies, so I am not sure you are getting them peopled by white supremicists.

4. The facebook post was wildly stupid and ultimately unnecessary and was used by another parent with a grudge to hurt someone in the school's administration. It doesn't tell a "deeper truth" however and ultimately shouldn't be national news.

5. Schools post stupid **** on facebook a LOT. My wife actually runs the social media for a school district for this very exact reason. Things go through her before they are posted. Most of the time (if not all) the stupid things aren't meant to be harmful, just stupid and insular.

6. At some point she will probably take over filtering me on Jazzfanz.
 
I don't think this kind of stuff helps that much. I think reperations is what is needed most. Really help the black community - grants, whatever it takes. I would advocate 5,000 to 20,000 per black family (depending on family size) additional monies during the time they are 20 to 55. I think if you empower black families then things will only get better. If you on not onboard with that then I think you don't understand the injustice that has happened and you don't really believe in taking responsibility and want to fix the problem.

I think this education piece is just virtual signalling. People pretending that they are not at all racist and that they are pure when in fact most of the people who push it tend to be racist themselves - they only say the right things. I want what is taught in class to be succint, brief, factual and clear. When people pretend they love something then it makes it worse.
 
framer said:
A few things:

1. Nobody actually USED an opt out form. Some people had concerns about the curriculum, met with administrators, had concerns resolved. As a parent I like to review ALL "new" curriculum. I have never opted out or even had much of a discussion after that.

2. Nowhere does it say what the curriculum was or who was in charge of teaching it.

3. Montesori schools are like by Hippies for Hippies, so I am not sure you are getting them peopled by white supremicists.

4. The facebook post was wildly stupid and ultimately unnecessary and was used by another parent with a grudge to hurt someone in the school's administration. It doesn't tell a "deeper truth" however and ultimately shouldn't be national news.

5. Schools post stupid **** on facebook a LOT. My wife actually runs the social media for a school district for this very exact reason. Things go through her before they are posted. Most of the time (if not all) the stupid things aren't meant to be harmful, just stupid and insular.

6. At some point she will probably take over filtering me on Jazzfanz.
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Are you kidding me? This was just parents asking questions. Why is this even news? A parent should ask questions about everything.
 
Support Donovan to the end of the earth on this. My family are 'new Australians ' ie white people from a non wasp background. During the reign of the scumbag **** john howard (who has turned his party into a middle of the road fascist/religious shitpile) felt like didnt belong in the country i was born in or a citizen of.

**** them all, burn their houses beat their children, they sell our futures and our children's cheaply. I hate them with all i have
 
whatthe said:
Are you kidding me? This was just parents asking questions. Why is this even news? A parent should ask questions about everything.
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We always tried to review what our kids were being taught. Caught more than a few cases of blatant indoctrination, such as a teacher that gave the kids an assignment to write to the White House, specifically to explain to then-president W that the war in Iraq was wrong and that he had an obligation to get our troops out immediately. I fought that one because she was trying to instill in a 5th-grader a pre-disposed opinion as being the correct one. Finally threatened to go to the school board so they allowed the kids to express their own opinions on the matter. But **** like that happens all the time. Teachers indoctrinating children is a problem.

So if this was just parents asking for an explanation I see no issue with it. And even if it was parents wanting to white-wash everything for their kids, that is and should be there prerogative to raise their kids and they see fit, even if other people don't like it, and no matter how asinine it is for them to do so. Stupid gonna stupid.
 
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Giving a **** about black people is the lowest bar imaginable and we have people in this thread going out of their way to dominate the thread with their whiffs. Calling it embarrassing is being kind.
 
JazzMan4Life said:
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Mods feel free to move this, but I'd like for everyone to see it.

This is a story that many around the nation will see.
This is how they will view our state and our team.
To me, this is unacceptable. And I would guess many of our players and forum members feel the same.
We must be better than this.
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Just embarrassing. When I get asked about how I liked living in Utah, I always say it was a fun time in my life. I however understand the question and why people really ask me that because they have heard and witness some weird stuff that happens in Utah. The school district should not allow this and they are part of the problem along with the parents who are opting their kids out. So if a black kid doesn't want to hear about white history can they opt out. I highly doubt it. You need history to graduate so perhaps they can tell the parents their kids can opt out but we will not be able to give them a diploma. I know this is ridiculous but so is having the ability to opt out of black history month.
 
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