Yuck yuck yuck

[Rubashov]

It's a subject you Jazz never want to address....thus it continues.

Let's take this forum for example. Jazz fans here are probably the top of the Jazz fan pyramid. Yet you display, I'll be polite and say questionable behavior. Ask yourself, why is post after post about Mike Conley so negative? Ingles gets praise after praise...Conley gets the darts.

If i wanted to listen to am arsehole id fart

 

[fishonjazz]

Trump absolutely emboldened and portrayed this behavior in many ways. We’re not side tracking this thread, but yeah, conservatives want to ignore racial issues and pretend they aren’t an issue while pandering to the worst racist wings of their party. The most recent example: the critical race theory thing that most conservatives can’t even accurately define.

This

 

[fishonjazz]

Because people who hate Trump are so loving and tolerant of everyone else also.

I hate trump and im pretty loving and tolerant of everyone. Except ******* douchebags like trump. Trump deserves hate. Hell, he welcomes it and craves it and feeds on it.

 

[One Brow]

It's a subject you Jazz never want to address....thus it continues.

The fans were banned indefinitely. To waht greater degree should it be addressed, and was not?

Let's take this forum for example. Jazz fans here are probably the top of the Jazz fan pyramid. Yet you display, I'll be polite and say questionable behavior. Ask yourself, why is post after post about Mike Conley so negative? Ingles gets praise after praise...Conley gets the darts.

Tell me, does the same reasoning apply to why this fan base lauded Byron Russell and were negative about Greg Ostertag?

Ingles was signed after being cut from another team. Very low initial expectations. Conley has much obviously been better, but we traded a great deal for him, and last season you could make an argument he underperformed for that cost (not this season).

I'm not saying you are completely off-base, in that this board, like every other place I've been on the internet, has issues. The people who say untoward things are known, and the people who push back are known.

 

[One Brow]

No. That's completely ignoring different experiences that others who are different than you would have. To say that we are all "one big family" is a slap in the face to all minorities. "Hey, what are you complaining about? We are all one big family. We are the same and society treats us all the same."
Sure.

I don't know of any large family where every kid gets treated the same.

We are all one big family, and we regularly treat each other poorly based on stupid stuff. That's not incompatible.

 

[One Brow]

Because people who hate Trump are so loving and tolerant of everyone else also.

Not all of them, of course, but in higher proportion than those who love Trump.

 

[TheGoldStandard]

With a gentle push and a mild arc, the racist taunts hit home.

There are many racists in Utah, one reason I won't raise a family there. Most are the clueless racists, which are even worse.

 

[DasJazz]

Not all of them, of course, but in higher proportion than those who love Trump.

Last 5 years are calling, they clearly prove you wrong.

 

[DasJazz]

People who hate Trump hate him because he's a self aggrandizing racist pile of ****. Much different that hating someone for their skin color. Conservatives just cant get it through there head. THERE IS A REASON YOU ARE SEEN AS THE RACIST PARTY AND MINORITIES DON'T SUPPORT YOU. They take every step they can to protect racism or diminish its existence. Guess what? It exists. And thinking stupid *** things like banning critical race theory which is studying how racism has impacted our society still to this day, prove how protective of it they are. The dude who introduced the resolution in our legislature literally admitted he didn't actually know what it was, and he couldn't define CRT but he had gotten pressure from the ultra right win morons to address it.

You hate him cause CNN and MSNBC told you to. It's okay that you don't believe that is why but it is absolutely the truth.

 

[gomretat]

I have lived in Dallas, Houston, Chicago, Denver, Boston, Alberta Canada, and Utah. There are racists in Utah and there are racists that are conservative. There are also racists in every place I have lived and liberal racists. The narrative about Utah is popular, easy to pile on, and becoming less true all of the time - though it still does exist. Treating "Utahns" as a collective group is an interesting irony in this discussion.

As for Trump, he is an immature narcissistic bully but he treats everyone outside of his tiny circle that way without regard to race.

Flame away.

 

[oneye]

You hate him cause CNN and MSNBC told you to. It's okay that you don't believe that is why but it is absolutely the truth.

No I hate him because he’s a pile of ****. I don’t need media to tel me how to feel about a vile human being. Go **** yourself with your media excuses to make yourself feel better about supporting someone completely abhorrent.

 

[oneye]

I have lived in Dallas, Houston, Chicago, Denver, Boston, Alberta Canada, and Utah. There are racists in Utah and there are racists that are conservative. There are also racists in every place I have lived and liberal racists. The narrative about Utah is popular, easy to pile on, and becoming less true all of the time - though it still does exist. Treating "Utahns" as a collective group is an interesting irony in this discussion.

As for Trump, he is an immature narcissistic bully but he treats everyone outside of his tiny circle that way without regard to race.

Flame away.

Just because someone is an ******* to everyone, doesn’t mean they aren’t an ******* in racially charged ways to people when they get a chance. The guys who said those terrible thing to the Morants might be assholes in general. They were racist assholes in this instance, at least the one.

 

[Gameface]

I have lived in Dallas, Houston, Chicago, Denver, Boston, Alberta Canada, and Utah. There are racists in Utah and there are racists that are conservative. There are also racists in every place I have lived and liberal racists. The narrative about Utah is popular, easy to pile on, and becoming less true all of the time - though it still does exist. Treating "Utahns" as a collective group is an interesting irony in this discussion.

As for Trump, he is an immature narcissistic bully but he treats everyone outside of his tiny circle that way without regard to race.

Flame away.

 

[fishonjazz]

You hate him cause CNN and MSNBC told you to. It's okay that you don't believe that is why but it is absolutely the truth.

I literally never watch CNN or MSNBC and I hate trump.
I hated trump long before he got into politics btw. He has been a douchebag for a long long time.
I would hate trump if he were a democrat too (he was a democrat prior to running on the republican platform btw) as he would still be a douchebag. Just a democratic douchebag instead of a republican douchebag.
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[SteakNEggs]

There nobody to blame but the garbage humans that would stoop to such **** levels. A vast majority of us no matter the political affiliation are good damn people. Sadly there's just a bunch of idiots no matter the political affiliation that are ruining it for all of us.

 

[framer]

This seems like a dodge to absolve Mormonism.

It could be that "active" Mormons aren't the ones getting drunk and spewing racism in this particular case (though we don't know for sure, of course). But there's little doubt that the history of Mormon racist attitudes contributes to what many people (whether they're active Mormons, non-active Mormons, non-Mormons or whatnot) feel is acceptable racially within the state. There's decades of attitudes built up there. These change slowly, unfortunately (faster among some than others, of course). It's not something where a switch was just flipped within Mormonism and now the history of these racist feelings and attitudes don't matter anymore. That's not how culture works.

To my mind, and as LDS myself, Mormons should try to be at the forefront of anti-racist efforts in the state, since a significant (not the only, of course) element of Utah racism derives from the church's historical influence, an influence that helped lead people in Utah to think not only that racist attitudes are OK (or at least can be overlooked) but also that this racism is part of "who we are." So to me, it's our problem to a significant extent. We need to own it and do what we can to rid our local community of it.

Let's be honest, the only reason people care is because Utah= Mormon. Even the anti-Mormon portion of Utah likes to think that this behavior is linked to the Church. It would have nothing to do with them because they are enlightened

If this was happening in Indiana, people would blame alcohol mixed with ***holes and not the community.

 

[Rubashov]

man the knicks are ****

 

[idiot]

Let's be honest, the only reason people care is because Utah= Mormon. Even the anti-Mormon portion of Utah likes to think that this behavior is linked to the Church. It would have nothing to do with them because they are enlightened

If this was happening in Indiana, people would blame alcohol mixed with ***holes and not the community.

I agree to some extent with your second and third sentences. One's relationship (or lack of) with Mormonism shouldn't be seen as a dividing line to position oneself as "part of the solution" vs "part of the problem."

But at the same time, the role of Mormonism in the racism that does exist in the area's culture does need to be acknowledged and confronted (with the goal of improvement).

 

[framer]

I agree to some extent with your second and third sentences. One's relationship (or lack of) with Mormonism shouldn't be seen as a dividing line to position oneself as "part of the solution" vs "part of the problem."

But at the same time, the role of Mormonism in the racism that does exist in the area's culture does need to be acknowledged and confronted (with the goal of improvement).

But the anti-Mormon establishment hardly has the high ground when confronting hate and bigotry. One only needs to attend a BYU Utah game to demonstrate that. I imagine a week of reading the email Burgess Owens receives would be pretty enlightening as well. Most of the people on this board have been signaling that the "Utah issue" is almost entirely a Mormon issue. The demand for "reflection" almost never contains a desire for self reflection. These morons weren't Mormons, and hectoring the LDS community about their behavior gets old.

 

[idiot]

But the anti-Mormon establishment hardly has the high ground when confronting hate and bigotry. One only needs to attend a BYU Utah game to demonstrate that. I imagine a week of reading the email Burgess Owens receives would be pretty enlightening as well. Most of the people on this board have been signaling that the "Utah issue" is almost entirely a Mormon issue. The demand for "reflection" almost never contains a desire for self reflection. These morons weren't Mormons, and hectoring the LDS community about their behavior gets old.

I have no horse in the UoU/BYU rivalry. But I'll always say we should try to fix our own house first. I don't think anyone in in Utah should feel comfortable.

I'm LDS; I grew up in Utah. I'll start working on my anti-racism there.