Trade Idea
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campaignist
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Detroit wouldn’t do it.
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Guess you believe in rape. The Jazz get two players that are at or even better than Bogey. Covington maybe not as good but Grant if not better with much better upside because he's younger, And Favors who's on the decline because of his back. Great trade for the Jazz though.
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I don't believe in it, but to use it in this context, tough in cheek, to illustrate the inequity of it, is legitimate in my opinion. I'm not favorable to political correctness because I believe it's disingenuous. Furthermore, censoring words is a totalitarian act. There's no reason this word should not be used; it does not denigrate anyone like the N word.
Digging in your heels isn't necessary. It's a ****** thing to minimize, point blank. In any case, my concern is as much that the profanity filter contains terms that are objectively less offensive (case in point; I can use the term "poopy" that just got filtered and not a pearl would be clutched).
I don't understand your last sentence so I hope this is the extent that it's addressed.
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I added more and I totally disagree with your position. If you want to start banning words because the thought of them upsets you, that's your prerogative but that will include a large number of other words, for instance, like massacre, mutilate, and cannibalize. I hope I have made my point.
This isn't an assault on anyone's freedom, it's an attempt at appealing to basic decency. This is a message board with an extant profanity filter. If ****, ****, etc are too much for some to handle, then the word in question far exceeds that criteria. If you're more offended by this conversation than the term you used then I guess I don't have anything else to say that might be productive.
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We are on a different page, so to speak, or maybe you don't get my point, The word is not offensive -- it's the act. Using the word is much different than committing the act.
Ineptimusprime
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So yeah, let’s do this trade.
LoPo
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I appreciate the idea, but I don't think this trade is possible. If Conley was moving out to one of those teams, I think it has a more realistic chance of happening. Those two teams, Blazers and Pistons, just seem like bad trade partners for us. They are in a rebuild so I doubt they want any of our old vets. The Blazers might want Bojan or maybe even Conley, but I don't see them needing those guys more than they need Covington.
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I appreciate the opportunity for this discussion. I did my Master’s Thesis on sexual assault prevention programs and based on that research would say this: words matter. Words convey thoughts and beliefs, and thoughts and beliefs lead to action (“the act”). Minimizing the use of word minimizes the act, even if unintended (as I assume is the case here).
I do not think it is a matter of political correctness so much as one of values. If we value interpersonal safety then it is a good idea to reflect that in our language. I know I am working to let go of using misused words or phrases I have long used and while it can be frustrating to have to put that thought and effort into our communication, I think it is worth it.
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However, do you think we should not use the word, murder, which is even more heinous than rape? That is my point; you're giving power to the word that it shouldn't have. You want to live in a perfectly bland society where people can't be free to speak. I think Lenny Bruce and Carlin covered this well. It's hiding from reality and not facing the problem when you use language to disguise or sanitize. Ya know, "the Suns murdered the Bucks last game," or do you think I should've said, "the Suns defeated the Bucks handily last game?" Really, handily. Masters, schmasters -- I've got two of them.
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So Maneesh, err Numberica, who lives in a misogynistic country like Bangladesh, or I thought it was Turkey, where all those nations in that region are misogynistic, where in some they don't even punish men who rape women, agrees with UJF. I suspect some gender bias. I think I will create an ALT with the name of Siddartha.
Murder has always been treated as a serious crime and sets off very little victim-blaming. Rape victims have historically been diminished, questions, and made responsible for their rapes. Using "murder" lightly does not reinforce murder being taken lightly, using "rape" lightly does reinforce taking rape lightly. Context matters.
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Yes, context matters but if you demonize every word that diminishes someone we won't have many words left. To me this is taking things to an extreme in this insane politically correct world
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You have plenty of words to express what you wanted to say: lopsided, unfair, uneven, etc. For you, this is taking things to an extreme. For others, it's just being sensitive to a word others find offensive to use in a light manner. Maybe being "politically correct" or just sensitive towards others is a good thing.
And btw, this is a highly-moderated message board. There is no freedom of speech here. There are rules posters abide when signing in.
And this is pretty racist to be honest. Labeling whole countries or "all those nations in that region" when referring to Turkey and Bangladesh (couldn't be farther apart and more different btw), is pretty ignorant and bigoted too.
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What is wrong with thinking about the impact of your words before you use them. Why do you want to diminish another human being if you can prevent it. The idea that you should be able to say whatever you want is ridiculous if you are trying to be a decent human being. No one loses if everyone tried just a little harder to be kind and thoughtful in their words and deeds. Unfortunately more people complain about not being able to be a jerk or say what they want instead of just being kind. Words matter and many times they lead to arguments or violence because someone feels the right to exercise their "freedom of speech" without thinking of the consequences.
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