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Jazz Preparing Conley Offer in Range of 75/3

LoPo said:
Conley could be sign and traded though.

I don't think we get a player better than Conley doing that, but I think we could still get value.
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The Jazz need to go for it this year and have a fire sale and major roster turnover next summer. Trade Mike, trade Bogey(if you don’t this year), trade JC, explore trading Rudy, and that’s also why it’s important to try and trade Joe for a defensive wing right now or before the deadline if you’re able to. It’s time to start getting some value and assets back. The majority of this core has this year. After that, changes are coming.
 
oneye said:
Lol. EVERY player camp wants a player option. In the restricted free agency situations it’s the teams job to use their leverage and say NO.
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And if the players camp says player option or no deal? You have a very naive view of these kinds of negotiations.
 
oneye said:
The Jazz need to go for it this year and have a fire sale and major roster turnover next summer. Trade Mike, trade Bogey(if you don’t this year), trade JC, explore trading Rudy, and that’s also why it’s important to try and trade Joe for a defensive wing right now or before the deadline if you’re able to. It’s time to start getting some value and assets back. The majority of this core has this year. After that, changes are coming.
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Knowing when to trade players is an art. We suck at it. We waited too long on....

Big Al
AK
Favors
Boozer
Okur
Deron
Etc

Conley is coming off his only All Star
Bojan was 100% healthy and impactful
Rudy is dominant
JC is the 6th man

Outside of Rudy, who expects the other 3 things to stay at this level? Waiting a year could be catastrophic.

Bojan gets hurt or regresses
JC comes down to earth
Rudy gets hurt or further exposed
Conley stays hurt or regresses

I don't think you trade them all, but you have to capitalize on selling high. We can't afford to sell anybody low anymore

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Really glad they are bringing him back. Of the course contract sucks. We all knew it would suck. But conley was pretty awesome last year and stepped it up even more in the playoffs (before the injury). He was easily our best shooter in the playoffs. And best at creating looks for teammates. We will need that if we want to win a chip. Gotta keep him healthy.
 
cowhide said:
Has he ever played a full season?
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He has 7 seasons of over 70 games played (plus a season when he played 69 games) so yes. Even had a season when he played 82 games. (also played 80 games twice and 81 games once)
 
cowhide said:
People need to stop saying if he can stay healthy. He CANNOT stay healthy. He has been hurt both seasons we have had him. Has he ever played a full season? Some people going to hope his hamstring issues are over. Come on. People say this is the market. Perhaps but the market is what someone is willing to pay. When do franchises say yea we like you but not at that price. I like CP3 but there is no way I would sign him for 100 million dollars at his age.
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Last 6 seasons games played

56
69
12
70
47
51

Doesn't bode well.
 
I've always fought the good fight and supported Conely through thick and thin but if he can't stay healthy, what good is he?
 
LogGrad98 said:
Hasn't happened yet in his career. But you know, aging vets with known chronic injury issues always have a health resurgence as they get older, right? Right?

:rolleyes:
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Actually looking at his playoff career he has played in 67 of 77 playoff games. (87% i think)
If you take out the playoffs with the jazz he has played in 56 of 59 playoff games.
Hasn't worked out great for the jazz in the playoffs so far regarding his health but it doesn't mean that he is never healthy in the playoffs and doesn't mean he wont ever be healthy in the playoffs.
Chris paul has had plenty of health issues in his career and is older yet only missed 2 games total in 4 series this past playoffs.
 
fishonjazz said:
Actually looking at his playoff career he has played in 67 of 77 playoff games. (87% i think)
If you take out the playoffs with the jazz he has played in 56 of 59 playoff games.
Hasn't worked out great for the jazz in the playoffs so far regarding his health but it doesn't mean that he is never healthy in the playoffs and doesn't mean he wont ever be healthy in the playoffs.
Chris paul has had plenty of health issues in his career and is older yet only missed 2 games total in 4 series this past playoffs.
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CP3 is the exception, not the rule. And Conley is no CP3.
 
LoPo said:
Knowing when to trade players is an art. We suck at it. We waited too long on....

Big Al
AK
Favors
Boozer
Okur
Deron
Etc

Conley is coming off his only All Star
Bojan was 100% healthy and impactful
Rudy is dominant
JC is the 6th man

Outside of Rudy, who expects the other 3 things to stay at this level? Waiting a year could be catastrophic.

Bojan gets hurt or regresses
JC comes down to earth
Rudy gets hurt or further exposed
Conley stays hurt or regresses

I don't think you trade them all, but you have to capitalize on selling high. We can't afford to sell anybody low anymore

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I expect JC to continue to be the best 6th man in the league. I expect bogey to continue to be deadly from deep and average 17-20 points per game. I expect conley to be awesome again next year. I expect rudy to be the best defensive player in the league again. I expect donovan to make another leap and be 1st or 2nd team all nba.
 
LogGrad98 said:
CP3 is the exception, not the rule. And Conley is no CP3.
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Didn't you see the games played for conley part of my post. He has played in 87% of his possible playoff games. Pre jazz he played in 56 of 59 games. (95%)
Doesn't seem that bad to me.
 
fishonjazz said:
Didn't you see the games played for conley part of my post. He has played in 87% of his possible playoff games. Pre jazz he played in 56 of 59 games. (95%)
Doesn't seem that bad to me.
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Unfortunately when it comes to health and age recency matters. Early in his career he played in 82 games...once. he hasn't touched that in over 5 years. And it likely won't improve, again playing the odds. So 2 years in a row added injury issues at the end of the campaign and into the playoffs, and a nagging injury that spanned across 2 seasons. If we sign him I'll be rooting for him to succeed, I like the guy. But he's isn't 1) what we really need and 2)a good risk in terms of health. He wasn't what we needed 2 years ago and he still isn't what we need, especially since we again drafted a clone of players we already have.
 
fishonjazz said:
I expect JC to continue to be the best 6th man in the league. I expect bogey to continue to be deadly from deep and average 17-20 points per game. I expect conley to be awesome again next year. I expect rudy to be the best defensive player in the league again. I expect donovan to make another leap and be 1st or 2nd team all nba.
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I love the optimism.

Even if all that stuff does happen, are we still capable of winning the championship as constructed?

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So if the Jazz are below the LT threshold, albeit temporarily, they can use their full MLE, can't they? Then re-sign Conley using his Bird rights.
 
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