The Minimum FA Bargain Bin

[416Klawzz]

If you’re gonna classify Niang as an “elite” shooter, there’s no reason for us to have a conversation about it because you’re just flat-out wrong.

“Elite” shooters can put the ball in the hoop when the stakes are at their highest. We just finished what, year 3 of the Niang experiment? We have have gotten NOTHING out of him when it’s mattered most. But yeah, he just needs more time, right? Let’s run Niang back for another year and see what that gets us.

DL would but he got fired

 

[416Klawzz]

Anyone interested in Corey Joseph at the backup point guard position, Detroit is releasing him

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Anyone interested in Corey Joseph at the backup point guard position, Detroit is releasing him

No… we got a Butler now to take care of backup pg duties.

 

[KqWIN]

Do or do not, there is no try.

And Niang is a do-not, both on defense and on shooting better than 20% in the playoffs.

Utterly useless.

His defense and effort on that end is as good or better than half our rotation. In fact, he's probably the only non big in our rotation who shows some life and awareness when he's off the ball.

Again, if you want to judge him by 1-2 playoff series....that's your own thing. I think that is an idiot way to judge a player and if you do judge a player that way, I do have to wonder what your thoughts were after Donovan Mitchell after his first couple of series. Did his horrific playoff performance mold your entire opinion of him? It didn't for me and I see no reason to feel that way about Niang either.

 

[KqWIN]

If you’re gonna classify Niang as an “elite” shooter, there’s no reason for us to have a conversation about it because you’re just flat-out wrong.

“Elite” shooters can put the ball in the hoop when the stakes are at their highest. We just finished what, year 3 of the Niang experiment? We have have gotten NOTHING out of him when it’s mattered most. But yeah, he just needs more time, right? Let’s run Niang back for another year and see what that gets us.

Elite shooters can also miss during important moments and have a bad series. We can agree to disagree, but I don't define a shooter by a movie esque narrative where the only thing that matters is "when it matters most". I define a shooter by a larger body of work because that is the correct way to define a shooter.

If Niang's bad playoff series is the only argument here, too each their own. I prefer to do my analysis using a more holistic approach. If people choose to analyze a player solely off the last series he played, I hope they stay consistent.

 

[jom2003]

If you’re gonna classify Niang as an “elite” shooter, there’s no reason for us to have a conversation about it because you’re just flat-out wrong.

“Elite” shooters can put the ball in the hoop when the stakes are at their highest. We just finished what, year 3 of the Niang experiment? We have have gotten NOTHING out of him when it’s mattered most. But yeah, he just needs more time, right? Let’s run Niang back for another year and see what that gets us.

This.

I've been saying this about Niang for years now. The guy is a standstill shooter who can only spot up with his feet already set. He has a slow release and can't shoot off the bounce or off the dribble, just no fluidity to his shooting mechanics whatsoever.

Korver/Reddicks/Klay/Allen constantly make runs off the ball in directions away from the basket then catch, square their body and release the shot, all in a matter of 1-2 seconds. Elite shooters can always get their shots off regardless of opponent's defensive scheme, even if they had to put the ball on the deck and find a way to get themselves open.

Niang's stiff and predictable mechanic heavily relies on his teammate's creation and when the opponent has the length/athleticism to disrupt our passing lane to prevent him from receiving the ball at his ideal spot, his fg% plummets.

 

[FalseFlagg K]

Justise Winslow

Lol just no. He’s soooo bad

 

[FalseFlagg K]

I'm all about him. He'd be a great fit

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Bc he’s such a great shooter / offensive player ??

 

[LogGrad98]

His defense and effort on that end is as good or better than half our rotation. In fact, he's probably the only non big in our rotation who shows some life and awareness when he's off the ball.

Again, if you want to judge him by 1-2 playoff series....that's your own thing. I think that is an idiot way to judge a player and if you do judge a player that way, I do have to wonder what your thoughts were after Donovan Mitchell after his first couple of series. Did his horrific playoff performance mold your entire opinion of him? It didn't for me and I see no reason to feel that way about Niang either.

Yes, judging a player based on the entirety of their playoff performances is ridiculous. We should never judge basketball players on their ability to play basketball. How silly of me.

 

[KqWIN]

Yes, judging a player based on the entirety of their playoff performances is ridiculous. We should never judge basketball players on their ability to play basketball. How silly of me.

The entirety of their playoff performances would be one thing, but doesn't seem like we're even doing that here. We're doing one playoff series.

I'm judging Niang on his entire career. You're judging it on a series. It's funny you made the argument against yourself, so I think we're done here.

 

[Jazzman12]

Elite shooters can also miss during important moments and have a bad series. We can agree to disagree, but I don't define a shooter by a movie esque narrative where the only thing that matters is "when it matters most". I define a shooter by a larger body of work because that is the correct way to define a shooter.

If Niang's bad playoff series is the only argument here, too each their own. I prefer to do my analysis using a more holistic approach. If people choose to analyze a player solely off the last series he played, I hope they stay consistent.

It feels like ages since I’ve been baited into a really silly argument on Jazzfanz, so I guess I’ll bite on this one. Your argument has already been torn to shreds by other posters who have done so far more eloquently than I can, but hey, the more the merrier, right?

First of all, quit comparing Mitchell’s playoff series as a rookie or 2nd year player to that of a veteran project like Niang. If you searched the internet in it’s entirety, could you possibly find a more apples-to-oranges type of argument? Mitchell was a young player who was the centerpiece of our team. He literally had the expectations of an entire franchise thrust upon his shoulders and if memory serves me correctly, didn’t he manage to rise to the occasion and carry his team to a playoff victory over a favored OKC squad featuring Westbrook and Paul George? Are we really comparing a guy with a playoff scoring average of around 35ppg to Georges Niang??

As was already mentioned, Niang basically fails every metric necessary to be considered an elite shooter- be it in his regular season performance or playoffs. He can’t get his shot off quickly (a hallmark trait of elite shooters), cannot create his own shot in any manner, is abysmal shooting off the dribble, can’t get to the rack when the jumper isn’t falling, can’t get to the foul line, and so on and so on. Niang has ONE NBA skillset: He can knock down 3 pointers at a decent rate when the Defense is cheating over to another player, leaving him open to take an uncontested shot. That is the beginning, middle, and end of the list of things Niang does well.

Probably worse than all of that is the fact that him returning to this team only serves as a huge roadblock to the development of other players who might actually possess a variety of NBA skills that can be developed. I don’t know what this “Holistic Approach” is that you take when evaluating players but you might want to take a holistic approach towards reviewing your holistic approach because it’s complete ****.

 

[campaignist]

If he comes cheap and is the 9th or tenth man, I’m okay with niang. No other condition. I just don’t see him improving much more-I dont think he’ll have a career arc like Royce. I’d rather grab either someone with more potential or a vet that plays better D.