Definitely depend on Butler/Ingles/Forrest. Jazz still lack perimeter defenders and that needs to be adressed, especially if they want to play small.
Jazz sign Hassan Whiteside
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The Thriller
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We still have jingles, Don, clarkson, butler, and Forrest to run the 1, right?
My concern is if Royce goes down. Who do we have to defend the perimeter?
hawkeye
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If Doke can outplay him in practice and earn more backup minutes, then that would be awesome and ideal. Right now though, Whiteside is a win now upgrade if he can block shots and rebound like he used to. A second unit of Ingles, Butler, JC, Gay, and Whiteside is a much stronger rotation than we had with Niang/Favors.
As for all the **** talking and competitive banter that went on between Gobert and Whiteside in the past. It is in the past, so it's time to get behind the dude who could help us turn the paint into a 'Warning - trespassers will be blocked' zone for 48 minutes a night.
Clearly he didn't sign a vet minimum thinking he could beat Gobert for the starter position. I'm optimistic that he understands why he's here and he'll step up as needed. The dude could easily average 8 points, 8 rebounds, and 2 blocks a night as a back up to Rudy.
As for all the **** talking and competitive banter that went on between Gobert and Whiteside in the past. It is in the past, so it's time to get behind the dude who could help us turn the paint into a 'Warning - trespassers will be blocked' zone for 48 minutes a night.
Clearly he didn't sign a vet minimum thinking he could beat Gobert for the starter position. I'm optimistic that he understands why he's here and he'll step up as needed. The dude could easily average 8 points, 8 rebounds, and 2 blocks a night as a back up to Rudy.
Keefe
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Gay. That’s about it.
The thing here is that bench units are where you can get away with some flaws that would get targeted as a starter. In other words, if Whiteside is just the block-hunting bastard he's always been, bench guys are just less equipped to take advantage of that for any number of reasons.
The Thriller
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Gobert and whiteside would’ve been valuable in the early 2000s when facing the twin towers in SA or Shaq in LA.
It’ll be interesting to see how many teams force us out of playing Gobert and whiteside by going small? The genie is out of the bottle. Want to beat the jazz? Don’t go big. Downsize and have your 1-4 beat our 1-4. Since no one other than Royce attempts to play defense, teams may try to beat us with their 1-4 and not even let Rudy or whiteside impact the game. Hell, I’d be willing to bet a lot of teams force us next year to take Rudy out of the game because they’re so small and fast.
It’ll be interesting to see how many teams force us out of playing Gobert and whiteside by going small? The genie is out of the bottle. Want to beat the jazz? Don’t go big. Downsize and have your 1-4 beat our 1-4. Since no one other than Royce attempts to play defense, teams may try to beat us with their 1-4 and not even let Rudy or whiteside impact the game. Hell, I’d be willing to bet a lot of teams force us next year to take Rudy out of the game because they’re so small and fast.
The Thriller
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Right. Which is why I’m so concerned about it. We still need another wing defender. Is ariza still alive?
hawkeye
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Yep the 1 is my biggest concern. Neto still available and is that even doable with the Gay/Whiteside signings?
Yes, please.
This is a good reason to have RHJ at the end of the bench.
Yep, he signed with LAL
Chargers Jazz Angels
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I think where Whiteside might be of help is he has a little low post game. He can punish teams a little if they go small.
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I really like this signing. In fact, I’ve liked this Jazz offseason more than most I can recall. We can now at least play a consistent defense for an entire game, and can use Rudy Gay for small-ball lineups at the 5 if need be. Getting Conley back, and getting an absolute draft steal (so they say) in Butler in the 2nd round (and getting two 2nd round draft picks in the process) tells me that they are all-in for “win now” mode. JZ is making a run for GM of the year if this pans out.
vegas
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I think Q is one of the most cerebral coaches in the long term, I bet he has solved all of the issues that plagued us vs Clipps and even the Grizz to a lesser extent. The trouble is you never get to Narnia the same way twice.
framer
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I mean part of that is not having a hobbled Mitchell and Conley. You also have to be able to hit 40% + from 3 as a team for this to work. It isn't like every team we face can even attempt this.
framer
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A lot of people were hoping for Kaminski. This is better.
The best part is that it allows us to load manage Gobert against the truly awful teams of the league. You can use discount Rudy against bad and shorthanded teams with Doke as a backup. Or, if the worst happens, we could weather a Rudy injury without playing entirely differently. If Doke comes on, you can offload a min contract Whiteside pretty easily.
The best part is that it allows us to load manage Gobert against the truly awful teams of the league. You can use discount Rudy against bad and shorthanded teams with Doke as a backup. Or, if the worst happens, we could weather a Rudy injury without playing entirely differently. If Doke comes on, you can offload a min contract Whiteside pretty easily.
Whiteside is just one year removed from averaging 15.5 PPG, 13.5 RPG and 2.9 BPG. Can’t go wrong with him for the minimum.