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My sister in law is a nurse in one of the largest hospitals in Utah county. She said it’s bad. Really bad. Morale has never been lower. She’s even thought about quitting.
Doctors are tired of it. You can imagine what they are saying about unvaccinated patients when they are venting with each other. Our hospital saw the first covid patient in the country off that cruise ship, and they have been busy throughout, but they currently have more covid patients than ever, and it is so frustrating thst we have something thst can largely prevent serious illness/hospitalization/death.
 
A Georgia police officer who frequently posted anti-vaxx messages on Facebook and took an anti-parasitic drug instead of a vaccine has died of COVID-19.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have said the drug does not help prevent or treat coronavirus, and this week issued a health advisory detailing an increase in severe illness caused by taking ivermectin.

Calls to US poison control centers about ivermectin exposures increased five-fold from the pre-pandemic baseline, with an especially sharp rise in July 2021, a CDC report said.

The Food and Drug Administration asked people to stop taking the drug, stating "You are not a horse. You are not a cow. Seriously, y'all. Stop it."
Reassuring to know he had a gun and a badge in case he had to make a judgement call…
 
Yes, but do you understand it?

The study isn't a comparison between vaccinated versus unvaccinated. It is a comparison between variants.

From the study:


Even your alarmist site has added an addendum to clarify:


Those infected with the Delta variant do carry a higher viral load than those who were infected by a different variant. In the case of vaccinated people, the viral load is 251 times higher. In the case of unvaccinated people, the viral load is 1,260 times higher.


Delta is a nasty piece of work but scientific studies have shown that those infected by Delta who were vaccinated carry a fraction of the viral load of those who were not vaccinated when they were infected by Delta.

Agree with most except the last assertion, studies from Oxford amongst others are showing those vaccinated people who do get infected with delta seem to carry as much viral load as those unvaccinated. Not sure where you’ve got the fraction of the viral load from ?
 
Agree with most except the last assertion, studies from Oxford amongst others are showing those vaccinated people who do get infected with delta seem to carry as much viral load as those unvaccinated. Not sure where you’ve got the fraction of the viral load from ?
The viral load from Delta among the unvaccinated was in the Nature study linked in the post. This particular aspect is new so I wouldn't be surprised if there are new studies with better information and the Oxford study could very well be better information.
 
Reassuring to know he had a gun and a badge in case he had to make a judgement call…
Weird. Why would an anti vaxxer take a horse dewormer? Did he know what was in it? Was he aware of any of the long-term studies for it? Did he know that it’s ineffective against a virus since worms and viruses aren’t the same thing?

I mean, I’ve been told for so long that anti vaxxers aren’t merely concerned about the effectiveness of vaccines and aren’t just consuming garbage information online/stickin it to liberals because they want to show tribal loyalty to the GQP.
 
Doctors are tired of it. You can imagine what they are saying about unvaccinated patients when they are venting with each other. Our hospital saw the first covid patient in the country off that cruise ship, and they have been busy throughout, but they currently have more covid patients than ever, and it is so frustrating thst we have something thst can largely prevent serious illness/hospitalization/death.
That’s the thing. I really feel for our doctors and nurses. They shouldn’t have to continue to treat losers who are too stupid/politically motivated to get a vaccine. Doctors and nurses have lives, mental health, and families too. They shouldn’t constantly be exposed to covid and all the crap situations that covid creates. My sister in law literally began therapy this year to deal with this stuff. Therapy has helped so that’s good. But you know what would probably help more? If this pandemic ended. But we need a much higher vaccination rate in order to accomplish that. I just… feel for fellow educators and for those involved in health care. This sucks.

We’ve got things backwards in our state. It should be, “Get the damn vaccine or stay at home. If you get sick and you didn’t get vaccinated, don’t expect a doctor to bail you out.” I say those vaccinated should be admitted before the unvaccinated. Let Trump bail out his people. I’m sure flashlights up the butt and dewormer will work miracles.
 
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This is horrific. Something out of a horror movie.

Is this freedom???
"These are typically held in case of a mass casualty event for example, when a large number of bodies appear at one time. This is actually a situation that is happening in Alabama hospitals now," Harris said.

"We have enough people dying ... that there is no room to put these bodies," he added. "We are really in a crisis situation. ... I don't know how much longer we're going to be able to do this."
 
His wife, Jessica Wallace, wrote Wednesday on Facebook that she had a “heartbreaking update” about her husband, Caleb.

“He’s not doing good. It’s not looking in our favor,” she said. “His lungs are stiff due to the fibrosis. They called and said they’ve run out of options for him and asked if I would consent to a do not resuscitate. And it would be up to us when to stop treatments.”

“My heart just can’t. I can’t imagine my life without him.”

Caleb Wallace, a 30-year-old father of three, has been unconscious, ventilated and heavily sedated in the ICU at Shannon Medical Center in San Angelo since Aug. 8, the Standard-Times reported.
 
His wife, Jessica Wallace, wrote Wednesday on Facebook that she had a “heartbreaking update” about her husband, Caleb.

“He’s not doing good. It’s not looking in our favor,” she said. “His lungs are stiff due to the fibrosis. They called and said they’ve run out of options for him and asked if I would consent to a do not resuscitate. And it would be up to us when to stop treatments.”

“My heart just can’t. I can’t imagine my life without him.”

Caleb Wallace, a 30-year-old father of three, has been unconscious, ventilated and heavily sedated in the ICU at Shannon Medical Center in San Angelo since Aug. 8, the Standard-Times reported.

Announced tonight that he passed away. Leaves behind three daughters and another kid on the way who will never get to see their father walking them to school or walking them down the aisle.

Didn’t have to happen, but this is the cost of disinformation and it’s real.
 
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His wife, Jessica Wallace, wrote Wednesday on Facebook that she had a “heartbreaking update” about her husband, Caleb.

“He’s not doing good. It’s not looking in our favor,” she said. “His lungs are stiff due to the fibrosis. They called and said they’ve run out of options for him and asked if I would consent to a do not resuscitate. And it would be up to us when to stop treatments.”

“My heart just can’t. I can’t imagine my life without him.”

Caleb Wallace, a 30-year-old father of three, has been unconscious, ventilated and heavily sedated in the ICU at Shannon Medical Center in San Angelo since Aug. 8, the Standard-Times reported.
Sounds like a sucky way to go. “His lungs are stiff?” Yikes…

These deaths are tragic, sad, and just horrific.

What’s incredibly frustrating is that most of them could be avoided. I know people don’t like to admit that they’re wrong but there comes a point where id rather admit I was wrong and get vaccinated than die with a damn tube down my throat and my lungs going stiff.
 
Announced tonight that he passed away. Leaves behind three daughters and another kid on the way who will never get to see their father walking them to school or walking them down the aisle.

Didn’t have to happen, but this is the cost of disinformation and it’s real.
I struggle with this. Anyone else?

On one hand this is a terrible way to die and now that family will forever be left without their loved one. So sad.

On the other hand, these people are narcissistic, selfish, and incredibly dumb. All they had to do was get vaccinated. Have they been paying attention to the last two years? Covid sucks. Get vaccinated! I struggle with compassion.

It’s a weird situation because I don’t naturally like this. I want to be compassionate and caring. But I only have so many ****s to give. It’s hard not to think, “well that’s one less dumb person consuming our natural resources.”

All well. People I guess are living with their natural consequences to their dumb actions. Anyone else struggling with this? How do you best cope? Any advice because these stupid ****ers are making me feel less human.
 
I struggle with this. Anyone else?

On one hand this is a terrible way to die and now that family will forever be left without their loved one. So sad.

On the other hand, these people are narcissistic, selfish, and incredibly dumb. All they had to do was get vaccinated. Have they been paying attention to the last two years? Covid sucks. Get vaccinated! I struggle with compassion.

It’s a weird situation because I don’t naturally like this. I want to be compassionate and caring. But I only have so many ****s to give. It’s hard not to think, “well that’s one less dumb person consuming our natural resources.”

All well. People I guess are living with their natural consequences to their dumb actions. Anyone else struggling with this? How do you best cope? Any advice because these stupid ****ers are making me feel less human.

It’s not even about being vaccinated to a point. The guy got sick and rather than seek medical attention because he didn’t want to be added as a statistic, he spent four days pumping himself with ivermectin instead of actual treatments that would have likely saved his life. This is why medical advice on FB and social media is insane to follow.

I read poison control cases are up 500% with ivermectin and just can’t fathom why people think it’s an good idea but an approved vaccine taken by tens of millions is more unsafe.
 
It’s not even about being vaccinated to a point. The guy got sick and rather than seek medical attention because he didn’t want to be added as a statistic, he spent four days pumping himself with ivermectin instead of actual treatments that would have likely saved his life. This is why medical advice on FB and social media is insane to follow.

I read poison control cases are up 500% with ivermectin and just can’t fathom why people think it’s an good idea but an approved vaccine taken by tens of millions is more unsafe.
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Get vaccinated, seek actual medical attention, or down a bunch of **** meant for livestock? Gee what a tough decision
 
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Get vaccinated, seek actual medical attention, or down a bunch of **** meant for livestock? Gee what a tough decision

If this convinces a few individuals to make different decisions, perhaps his death as a cautionary tale means others will choose a different path.

But I fear that the beat will simply go on because the echo chamber of distrust is loud and emboldened.
 
I struggle with this. Anyone else?

On one hand this is a terrible way to die and now that family will forever be left without their loved one. So sad.

On the other hand, these people are narcissistic, selfish, and incredibly dumb. All they had to do was get vaccinated. Have they been paying attention to the last two years? Covid sucks. Get vaccinated! I struggle with compassion.

It’s a weird situation because I don’t naturally like this. I want to be compassionate and caring. But I only have so many ****s to give. It’s hard not to think, “well that’s one less dumb person consuming our natural resources.”

All well. People I guess are living with their natural consequences to their dumb actions. Anyone else struggling with this? How do you best cope? Any advice because these stupid ****ers are making me feel less human.
Dont give in to this way of thinking. Stay compassionate despite the stupidity
 
These are children…


Yes, but those regions have wildly different populations with the South having the most people.
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I struggle with this. Anyone else?
Of course. Disinformation is clearly one of the biggest problems infecting our society. And I use the word “infection” on purpose. It’s akin to a disinformation pandemic. It includes the warning Timothy Snyder references in my signature. And it entails so much more, literally infecting every area of human knowledge. It is bound to be highly destabilizing in any society it infects. It is simply a HUGE problem. I know you are being more specific, focused on the consequences on everybody of the unvaccinated who are rooted in disinfo, and married to crackpot remedies, but the rejection of the approach of expert based medical advice is part of this much broader based problem. The further we diverge as a society from the ability to reach a consensus opinion on REALITY, the more destabilized, the more disconnected, the more distrusting, the more divided we will grow, and the harder it will be to ever solve this enormous problem…

 
It is bound to be highly destabilizing in any society it infects. It is simply a HUGE problem.
There has never been a society anywhere on Earth or ever in history in which there wasn’t bad information believed by a sizable portion of the population. The most stable and long lived societies you can think of, such as the dynasties in China or Egypt, had plenty of untrue beliefs. It is not realistic to set ‘no bad information’ as a standard we should strive for and I deeply distrust the idea of establishing an authority that functions as a gatekeeper over what information the public is allowed to be exposed to.

The best we can do is to put more effort into strengthening critical thinking skills, stomping out the cancel culture that springs to life whenever something outside the Overton window is discussed, and facilitating communication by agreeing on the definitions of words. Our society is currently terrible at all three. Students are graduating from college with worse critical thinking skills than when they graduated high school. Cancel culture is crazy and we can’t agree on simple concepts like what a woman is or what constitutes violence.
 
There has never been a society anywhere on Earth or ever in history in which there wasn’t bad information believed by a sizable portion of the population. The most stable and long lived societies you can think of, such as the dynasties in China or Egypt, had plenty of untrue beliefs. It is not realistic to set ‘no bad information’ as a standard we should strive for and I deeply distrust the idea of establishing an authority that functions as a gatekeeper over what information the public is allowed to be exposed to.

The best we can do is to put more effort into strengthening critical thinking skills, stomping out the cancel culture that springs to life whenever something outside the Overton window is discussed, and facilitating communication by agreeing on the definitions of words. Our society is currently terrible at all three. Students are graduating from college with worse critical thinking skills than when they graduated high school. Cancel culture is crazy and we can’t agree on simple concepts like what a woman is or what constitutes violence.
I was not endorsing any approach. I was simply stating what should be obvious by now(referring to the words I wrote, not the article I linked to. I stand by the words I wrote 100%). I mean of course one cannot name any undisputed truth that will not have people who reject it. There are quite a few of my fellow citizens that believe our political leaders are actually shape shifting reptilian aliens. And I am not interested in creating gatekeeper authorities. From a practical viewpoint, I’ll go no further than what Timothy Snyder states in “On Tyranny”, and contained in my signature. That is trouble enough right there. Yeah, civics should be taught as early in the education regimen as possible, that might also help. And critical thinking? Of course. And very, very, very few people will ever master that skill. And emotions will annihilate reason every time. Every single time. We are not built to be rational beings. Sadly. The ad men all know that. That’s why we sell presidents every 4 years. And launch negative ads after negative ads. The day I wake up and find the American public is no longer susceptible to persuasion via the emotions of fear and hate, is the day I’ll wonder what planet I’m on.
 
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