Let's talk about Quin

[Hekate]

Quin is a brilliant offensive coach. Jazz built a historic offensive team and role players constantly step up offensively to contribute. Jazz generate tons of open shots with only 1 true offensive superstar. It works even when Conley is the only player that has a steady hand. Jazz do well in transition even though they don't have open-court players. The system works against multiple coverages. It even got tons better against switches.

Defensively, I think he was always a tad overrated because of Rudy but the current Jazz problems are more personnel related than anything. No one (smart) was complaining about our defense in the last Hou series when we whipped up a new scheme. Jazz always did well defensively with Fave at 4 or Jae Crowder. Jazz lost too many good defenders to recoup that defensive level.

Hayward was a pretty good defender before his injuries. Hill was decent. Fave was versatile enough and did great as a secondary rim protector. Exum was a phenomenal iso defender. Udoh was almost a DPOY level player with no offense. Rubio and Thabo was smart. Booker was tough. Crowder hustled and rebounded even though he wasn't a great one-on-one defender. Ingles wasn't decrepit and could follow Redick around(imagine that now).

Jazz desperately need to infuse defensive talent but with the way the roster is constructed, it's tough and has to come from within the rotation. Gay needs to quickly build chemistry and play defense, Mitchell needs to lockdown, Clarkson is putting up the effort but he needs to be smart.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I mean if we let go of Quin I think we all know who is coming... Ainge likely set an evil master plan up to leave Boston and get Stevens fired as the GM so he could hire him as the coach again here. Then we get a 37 YO Gordon Hayward back.

 

[infection]

I mean if we let go of Quin I think we all know who is coming... Ainge likely set an evil master plan up to leave Boston and get Stevens fired as the GM so he could hire him as the coach again here. Then we get a 37 YO Gordon Hayward back.

Unfinished business, yo.

 

[jom2003]

Quin is a brilliant offensive coach. Jazz built a historic offensive team and role players constantly step up offensively to contribute. Jazz generate tons of open shots with only 1 true offensive superstar. It works even when Conley is the only player that has a steady hand. Jazz do well in transition even though they don't have open-court players. The system works against multiple coverages. It even got tons better against switches.

Defensively, I think he was always a tad overrated because of Rudy but the current Jazz problems are more personnel related than anything. No one (smart) was complaining about our defense in the last Hou series when we whipped up a new scheme. Jazz always did well defensively with Fave at 4 or Jae Crowder. Jazz lost too many good defenders to recoup that defensive level.

Hayward was a pretty good defender before his injuries. Hill was decent. Fave was versatile enough and did great as a secondary rim protector. Exum was a phenomenal iso defender. Udoh was almost a DPOY level player with no offense. Rubio and Thabo was smart. Booker was tough. Crowder hustled and rebounded even though he wasn't a great one-on-one defender. Ingles wasn't decrepit and could follow Redick around(imagine that now).

Jazz desperately need to infuse defensive talent but with the way the roster is constructed, it's tough and has to come from within the rotation. Gay needs to quickly build chemistry and play defense, Mitchell needs to lockdown, Clarkson is putting up the effort but he needs to be smart.

That 2018 roster would have taken us just about as far as we have with this current roster. What we needed back then was some minor adjustment by adding a couple of good shooters and guys who could create his own shot(JC or Bogey, for example) and keep everything else unchanged. Instead, what we got was an unnecessary roster overhaul that set our defense backwards significantly, losing several key assets like draft picks and salary maneuverability along the way that prevent us from progressing any further.

 

[slc]

Quin should have a sense of urgency here
Seems like the inside info is Quin has to get to WCF to keep job

 

[SoberasHotRod]

Quin should have a sense of urgency here
Seems like the inside info is Quin has to get to WCF to keep job

inside info? Do you have a link?

 

[slc]

inside info? Do you have a link?

No but seems like some reporters suggested this
Have no sources so go ahead and torch me if needed

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Quin should have a sense of urgency here
Seems like the inside info is Quin has to get to WCF to keep job

I can't see this being true. Although Danny could likely get a first round pick for trading Quin if he wanted.

 

[infection]

I can't see this being true. Although Danny could likely get a first round pick for trading Quin if he wanted.

I think Ainge needs to play hardball and if other teams try to poach our coaching assistants, as they have a lot in the past couple years, he needs to demand a pick to let them out of their contract.

We kept calling for an ******* on the team.

 

[slc]

Has a team ever given a draft pick for an assistant coach?

 

[infection]

Has a team ever given a draft pick for an assistant coach?

Ainge will be setting precedent.

 

[Isaiah 1:13]

I mean if we let go of Quin I think we all know who is coming... Ainge likely set an evil master plan up to leave Boston and get Stevens fired as the GM so he could hire him as the coach again here. Then we get a 37 YO Gordon Hayward back.

I know you're being facetious but I doubt that Ainge and Stevens are even on speaking terms these days. Now I wouldn't be too surprised to see Ainge himself wear both hats on an interim basis.

 

[infection]

I know you're being facetious but I doubt that Ainge and Stevens are even on speaking terms these days. Now I wouldn't be too surprised to see Ainge himself wear both hats on an interim basis.

Both hats of what?

 

[Isaiah 1:13]

Both hats of what?

I was thinking of Stan Van Gundy, course he really made a mess of that But others have done it as well if memory serves.

 

[infection]

I was thinking of Stan Van Gundy, course he really made a mess of that But other have done it as well if memory serves.

You mean Ainge coaching and GMing?

 

[Isaiah 1:13]

Einstein once said that "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different response." So why in the love of God do we continue to run the same iso plays for Mitchell in the closing seconds of close games? I mean I thought Jerry Sloan had become too predictable and that the game had passed him by, but I honestly think that Snyder is worse in this respect. The defense knows exactly what we're going to do which puts us at a decided disadvantage.

That, coupled with running his horses into the ground leading to injury while failing to give backups ample real-game time preparation; inability to make in-game or in-series adjustments to counter opposing coaches, all leads me to feel like he should have a WCF mandate in place if he doesn't already.

 

[infection]

Einstein once said that "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different response." So why in the love of God do we continue to run the same iso plays for Mitchell in the closing seconds of close games? I mean I thought Jerry Sloan had become too predictable and that the game had passed him by, but I honestly think that Snyder is worse in this respect. The defense knows exactly what we're going to do which puts us at a decided disadvantage.

That, coupled with running his horses into the ground leading to injury while failing to give backups ample real-game time preparation; inability to make in-game or in-series adjustments to counter opposing coaches, all leads me to feel like he should have a WCF mandate in place if he doesn't already.

We run that same play because three points is better than two and Donovan is our best offensive player. Something something about always wanting your best player taking the shot. Something moneyball something.

 

[Isaiah 1:13]

We run that same play because three points is better than two and Donovan is our best offensive player. Something something about always wanting your best player taking the shot. Something moneyball something.

Something that worked once in awhile would be nice. Small sample size but Bogey and Conley have the better % for game winners. And Gobert is an obvious and often ignored option when down by one or two.

 

[infection]

Something that worked once in awhile would be nice. Small sample size but Bogey and Conley have the better % for game winners. And Gobert is an obvious and often ignored option when down by one or two.

Don’t rush to rash judgements and maybe let Quin get a sample of a hundred missed off-balance, moving away from the basket, highly contested threes before we write it off.

The only players to hit buzzer beaters in the past 6 years are Bojan (twice) and Rudy (once).

 

[Isaiah 1:13]

Don’t rush to rash judgements and maybe let Quin get a sample of a hundred missed off-balance, moving away from the basket, highly contested threes before we write it off.

The only players to hit buzzer beaters in the past 6 years are Bojan (twice) and Rudy (once).

Oh geez I guess you got me then (Conley who's hit a number of big shots down the stretch that I've seen). I guess we should just forge forward with this game plan as it seems to be working so well, I mean at least until we can get a proper sample size of missed off balance, moving away from the basket shots.