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But didn’t they kinda deserve this cuz NATO, the West, Putin isn’t that bad or something?

Just a reminder, Donald still praises this guy and Tucker just two months ago was cheering for him.







Remember who the “real bad guys” are. Did Putin ever let trans kids play sports? So why should we cheer against him?


Meanwhile….

 
No wonder Tucker and the American right love Orban so much. All these “foes” have one thing in common… Orban just needs to find a solution for them, a “Final Solution” one might say…

 
Tucker Carlson is disgusting. What does he gain parroting Moscow’s line?


What if Tucker Carlson raped and killed all those missing children cases that have been in Florida and Maine where he shoots his show. He's never admitted nor denied it.

I'm not saying any of this is true, I'm just asking the questions. Why can't we ask these questions?
 
Man, Jews sure are busy these days.

They have space lasers, ran a campaign against Victor Orban, are waging a war against Russia and Putin, and now they’re doing this:

 
I'm not in a position to objectively determine the facts on the ground in Ukraine. I was disturbed by Putin's decision to actually invade Ukraine. There are reports of atrocities against both sides. Zelensky has actually done more to suppress political dissent within Ukraine than Putin has. So-called pro-Russian political parties have been taken off election qualifications. The Russians have from the beginning said stuff like fighters hiding behind civilians. I've seen actual videos of Ukranian forces using Churches and hospitals for military operation centers.

It is impossible to justify an invasion, really.

But before this invasion, the atrocities reported on both sides, and the skill/tactical expertise demonstrated in the donbas already should have logically led to a conclusion that an invasion would not be a cakewalk.

I listened the other day to some CIA former honchos discussing Putin and the situation for some hours. I believe they lie about some stuff. Fiona Hill lies about the same things. It is actually a move on the part of the USA to strategically manage the world. The goal is to take out Putin. It is, and has been, just that. Our people lie about our treaties and foreign policy diplomacy with Russia over the past 40 years. Putin has taken Russia off of the global Fascism plan and has made himself "the problem".

I believe some of Putin's advisors gave him unrealistic appraisals of the situation, and that Putin had the literally delusional notion that most Ukrainians would welcome his "liberation". There are indeed significant numbers of ethnic Russians throughout Ukraine, and a significant number of people unhappy with the 2014 coup that toppled the pro=Russian administration with support from outside Ukraine. From the USA actually.

Our CIA has helped with that, and with getting some strategic armaments into Ukraine, along with strategic advice on Russian weaknesses. It is true that Putin sees the destiny of Russia as a sort of humpty dumpty project of reuniting the USSR holdings as a sort of racist Russian supremacist theory would justify. Gogol would be proud if Russia could do that. I don't think Russia can.

But most of the world does see this as a proxy war, with the USA involved in a major way. Unless this fits the plan for creating a new balance of great nations for the global fascism regime we nominally call "globalism", this makes no sense.

The fact is Zelensky is no national hero, but a weak puppet who chose a pro-Nazi military leadership for his country, which we supported. Some say the fascist (old Nazi) element in Ukraine is small or incidental, but it is in fact in control of the military, and we are in fact supporting this. And the result will not be freedom in Ukraine, just an anti-Russian dictator we can use.

The result is now becoming more evident. China does not have the same vision for the future "globalism" our honchos have had. We have given up our own traditions in the West for governance that can be called, with some truth "democracy", and all we have gained is a new cold war with a divided world. It looks like India is forming up with the Brazil (nominally a whole set of south American countries), Russia, India, and China. The belt-and-road BRIC set.

At the fulcrum of this new divide will be Iran vs. Saudi Arabia.

I call it WWIII. The mother of all oil wars.
 
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This conflict has also taught me, and something I've imparted in my children, that no matter how hard you think your life is, you live in a country where you've essentially got it made regardless if a D or a R is at the wheel. The adversity that you may know pales in comparison to what many in the world live minute to minute.

So the next time you're pissed that Harmons is out of your favorite cake or that they accidentally put pickles on your cheeseburger when you didn't want them, put it into perspective and realize how lucky we all are.
 
This conflict has also taught me, and something I've imparted in my children, that no matter how hard you think your life is, you live in a country where you've essentially got it made regardless if a D or a R is at the wheel. The adversity that you may know pales in comparison to what many in the world live minute to minute.

So the next time you're pissed that Harmons is out of your favorite cake or that they accidentally put pickles on your cheeseburger when you didn't want them, put it into perspective and realize how lucky we all are.
Pickles on my cheeseburger!!!!!!!!!!

I'm pressing charges of war crimes!!!
 
This conflict has also taught me, and something I've imparted in my children, that no matter how hard you think your life is, you live in a country where you've essentially got it made regardless if a D or a R is at the wheel. The adversity that you may know pales in comparison to what many in the world live minute to minute.

So the next time you're pissed that Harmons is out of your favorite cake or that they accidentally put pickles on your cheeseburger when you didn't want them, put it into perspective and realize how lucky we all are.

Straight up communist ********.
 
What if Tucker Carlson raped and killed all those missing children cases that have been in Florida and Maine where he shoots his show. He's never admitted nor denied it.

I'm not saying any of this is true, I'm just asking the questions. Why can't we ask these questions?

I did that...
 
No wonder Tucker and the American right love Orban so much. All these “foes” have one thing in common… Orban just needs to find a solution for them, a “Final Solution” one might say…



So im not a crazy, paranoid, malignant, right wing arsehole, whose existence is an embarrassment to humanity but im pretty sure those people insist on International Jewry being on that list.
 
I'm not in a position to objectively determine the facts on the ground in Ukraine. I was disturbed by Putin's decision to actually invade Ukraine. There are reports of atrocities against both sides. Zelensky has actually done more to suppress political dissent within Ukraine than Putin has. So-called pro-Russian political parties have been taken off election qualifications. The Russians have from the beginning said stuff like fighters hiding behind civilians. I've seen actual videos of Ukranian forces using Churches and hospitals for military operation centers.

It is impossible to justify an invasion, really.

But before this invasion, the atrocities reported on both sides, and the skill/tactical expertise demonstrated in the donbas already should have logically led to a conclusion that an invasion would not be a cakewalk.

I listened the other day to some CIA former honchos discussing Putin and the situation for some hours. I believe they lie about some stuff. Fiona Hill lies about the same things. It is actually a move on the part of the USA to strategically manage the world. The goal is to take out Putin. It is, and has been, just that. Our people lie about our treaties and foreign policy diplomacy with Russia over the past 40 years. Putin has taken Russia off of the global Fascism plan and has made himself "the problem".

I believe some of Putin's advisors gave him unrealistic appraisals of the situation, and that Putin had the literally delusional notion that most Ukrainians would welcome his "liberation". There are indeed significant numbers of ethnic Russians throughout Ukraine, and a significant number of people unhappy with the 2014 coup that toppled the pro=Russian administration with support from outside Ukraine. From the USA actually.

Our CIA has helped with that, and with getting some strategic armaments into Ukraine, along with strategic advice on Russian weaknesses. It is true that Putin sees the destiny of Russia as a sort of humpty dumpty project of reuniting the USSR holdings as a sort of racist Russian supremacist theory would justify. Gogol would be proud if Russia could do that. I don't think Russia can.

But most of the world does see this as a proxy war, with the USA involved in a major way. Unless this fits the plan for creating a new balance of great nations for the global fascism regime we nominally call "globalism", this makes no sense.

The fact is Zelensky is no national hero, but a weak puppet who chose a pro-Nazi military leadership for his country, which we supported. Some say the fascist (old Nazi) element in Ukraine is small or incidental, but it is in fact in control of the military, and we are in fact supporting this. And the result will not be freedom in Ukraine, just an anti-Russian dictator we can use.

The result is now becoming more evident. China does not have the same vision for the future "globalism" our honchos have had. We have given up our own traditions in the West for governance that can be called, with some truth "democracy", and all we have gained is a new cold war with a divided world. It looks like India is forming up with the Brazil (nominally a whole set of south American countries), Russia, India, and China. The belt-and-road BRIC set.

At the fulcrum of this new divide will be Iran vs. Saudi Arabia.

I call it WWIII. The mother of all oil wars.
I am not surprised to see nonsense like this coming from pro Russian, anti NATO posters on Facebook, Twiter etc.. but here? You lost any respect I ever had for you and that was not a lot to start with. Disgusting.
 
Zelensky has actually done more to suppress political dissent within Ukraine than Putin has.
I'll give you a chance to admit you did not really mean it and it is an honest mistake. Because if you truly believe that you are lost cause and need some specialists help.
 
I'll give you a chance to admit you did not really mean it and it is an honest mistake. Because if you truly believe that you are lost cause and need some specialists help.



These are not especially objectionable reports. There are others.

The larger political party suspended hold ten percent of the seats in Ukrainian government. It got more voter support than 10%.


The OPEL is the second largest party with about 17% support in the 2019 election, and was the party of former Ukrainian pro-Russian leadership.

In Russia, the major opposition party to Putin is the communist party. No martial law is declared yet that would suspend that party.

The eleven parties suspended by Zelensky add up to more than Zelensky's own 37% in 2019. All that is changed now, and Putin's outrageous invasion has likely reduced Zelensky's opposition to less than 25%. In short, there is really no need for Zelensky to take such an action, and that action will likely reduce his popularity at home. In that case, the US may find itself backing an unpopular dictator who is resorting to more coercive governance than even Putin.

Western concepts of democracy or constitutional government or rule of law are pretty weak in Ukraine. Ukraine has practically no history as a unified country. The Russian Orthodox Chjurch has been more of sustaining force in Ukraine than any home government. Look at those political parties, a parliamentary system with ten parties having more than 5% voter supporrt.

It was a mean and cruel thing for pro-NATO interests to get involved there.

I support more local governance, less central governance. I support good relations based on honoring treaties and respecting others.
 
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I've listened to this guy before.

I'm not one who believes our own government is a good example of anything, or that we are not involved in fascist movements or that we do not make friends with demagogues or dictators when someone influential pushes us that way.

I am saying that Zelensky is not going to be setting up elections any time soon, and that if he does they will be like many Russian elections have been. Ukraine is a corrupt country with unbelievable levels of influence peddling, and we have gotten into that henhouse big time.

People there will learn to hate us as much as some there hate the Russians, But ethnic Americans are not 20% of Ukraine's population, so they will all just hate us for whatever we do. And there is no way this is going to become a free country with human liberty.

Whoever "wins".

At a higher level of analysis, why are we letting Putin's ministers negotiate the Iran deal for us. Iran will sell Putin nuke grade Uranium? Russia will use it to build nuclear power plants in Egypt? Biden practically invited Putin to do this gig. Maybe it was because we knew more about Russian military preparedness than Putin did. Maybe someone wanted to raise oil jprices and create negative circumstances for Americans. It smacks as a classic "Bowery War" where world leaders run a little war to practice their troops, see how maneuvers work, creae business for arms makers and dealers, and test weapons. I don't know, any more than I know the thoughts of the Devil himself.

Maybe if Zelensky had negotiated as promised in the Minsk accord or if the agreements of 1991-94 had been kept, Putin would not have done this. Maybe, maybe not.

But this has done us no good. And nothing we can do will turn out good, either.

and, oh...... wait...... did I ever mention that I think we have a whole lot of crazy megalomaniacal honchos who seem so damn self-assured they can run the world we should all say Hell No.
 
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I've listened to this guy before.

I'm not one who believes our own government is a good example of anything, or that we are not involved in fascist movements or that we do not make friends with demoagogues or dictators when someone influential pushes us that way.

I am saying that Zelensky is not going to be setting up elections any time soon, and that if he does they will be like many Russian elections have been. Ukraine is a corrupt country with unbelievable levels of influence peddling, and we have gotten into that henhouse big time.

People there will learn to hate us as much as some there hate the Russians, Byt ethnic Americans are not 20% of Ukraine's population, so they will all just hate us for whatever we do. And there is no way this is going to become a free country with human liberty.

Whoever "wins".

At a higher level of analysis, why are we letting Putin's ministers negotiate the Iran deal for us. Iran will sell Putin nuke grade Uranium? Russia will use it to build nuclear power plants in Egypt? Biden practically invited Putin to do this gig. Maybe it was because we knew more about Russian military preparedness than Putin did. Maybe someone wanted to raise oil jprices and create negative circumstances for Americans. It smacks as a classic "Bowery War" where world leaders run a little war to practice their troops, see how maneuvers work, creae business for arms makers and dealers, and test weapons. I don't know, any more than I know the thoughts of the Devil himself.

Maybe if Zelensky had negotiated as promised in the Minsk accord or if the agreements of 1991-94 had been kept, Putin would not have done this. Maybe, maybe not.

But this has done us no good. And nothing we can do will turn out good, either.
If Ukraine had acted rationally and ethically then Putin wouldn't be the corrupt murdering war criminal liar that he is and always has been? Not buying that for a second.

Putin said it all in his own words. He considers Ukraine not just part of the old Soviet Union, he considers Ukraine inextricably part of Russia. He's getting on in years and there are some reports that he's been seeing cancer doctors. He wants Ukraine "rejoining" Russia to be his legacy. There's no treaty agreement or NATO encroachment to blame for his actions. He will manufacture rationalizations, sure, but he doesn't care about any of that. He's looking for excuses to do the thing he's always wanted to do, which is to bring Ukraine back into Russia.

The things you've pointed to that Zelenskyy has done are irrelevant to the fact that Russia invaded a peaceful neighbor in a war of choice and a war of conquest and a war littered with unnecessary civilian deaths that absolutely constitute war crimes. Why you want to deflect blame from Russia is straight up bizarre. What you're doing is like when someone rapes and kills a young woman and some dude wants to say, "Yeah but did you see the kind of clothes she wore and did you know she had sex with more than one person in the last year? Clearly the raping murderer wouldn't have done it otherwise. I don't think he's such a bad guy really, all things considered."

It's ****ing gross, babe.
 
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