NBA Playoffs

[reignman40]

The more I watch the playoffs I realize how different the jazz are. All other teams are fast/tall/athletic. I think the writing was on the wall last year when Memphis played us tough for the first 4 games and then the Clippers exposed us.
This year we are ice cold and exposed. We may just be the worst team in the playoffs right now since our shots and 3's aren't falling.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

forrest's been hurt for like a month now... he's not the reason that Butler didn't play. And like I said, butler is a good rebuilding piece after we get rid of Conley or even DM, but not one that could help with our current championship push.

Except he was… there was 10 minutes a night or so that went to Forrest cuz Quin ain’t gonna trust someone new.

 

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Lmao


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[LoPo]

The bashing was primarily because of the fit with Zion… who doesn’t play basketball anymore. It ended up working out for them because of the wonky pick protections… but almost everyone thought the Lakers would avoid being a bottom 10 team. If Zion is ever healthy I’m not sure what the lineup looks like.

Valanciunis fits with anybody because he has an offensive game. Adams is a great rebounder and screen setter, but he clogs the paint. That's why he's not playing for Memphis right now.

I've said this so many times - everybody has to shoot nowadays. It's just reality. Screens aren't as effective as guys who can just take their defender off the dribble.


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[LoPo]

A dumbass fan that thinks his boy hero gets fouled on every shot. What are the odds?

Not on every shot, but he got fouled on both the videos shown in this thread.

Are you even a Jazz fan?

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[LoPo]

I wold add that Ja is 2 times more talented than Don and with real champion mentality.. never give up....

Ja plays on a better roster and has had a terrible playoffs until the refs gifted him a chance to win last night.

Championship mentality? The guy hasn't even won a playoff series yet.

Did I mention that he plays on a better roster too?

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[Saint Cy of JFC]

Such a good herb Jones game

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

And a healthy Clippers and Denver??? May be super ugly.

Except all those teams won't be better. Progression isn't linear and injuries happen. Players also regress from seasons at times even when young

 

[FrenchJazzFa]

Adams have been bench after the first game where he was otally dominate by KAT. Just a bad match up but he will play next round and be useful. His main problem is that he can't shoot.
JV is more complete, offensively much better but is a terrible defender....... nobody's perfect excep Don for some of people here...

 

[LoPo]

Adams have been bench after the first game where he was otally dominate by KAT. Just a bad match up but he will play next round and be useful. His main problem is that he can't shoot.
JV is more complete, offensively much better but is a terrible defender....... nobody's perfect excep Don for some of people here...

Lol. Don has huge flaws that I have covered. I just defend him when ignorant Jazz fans go on Don bashing sessions.

Adams is a slightly better defender than Valanciunas. However, like this series, Adams can be rendered almost useless. At least Valanciunas has the offensive abilities to make KAT work on the other end and maybe even get into foul trouble. JV is also much cheaper than Adams.

I think Memphis is more of a legit contender if they had JV instead of Adams. The Pelicans are a work in progress being built on the fly, but you can see the extra dynamic JV can bring.



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[LogGrad98]

It's easy for you to say these things now after the fact but like i said, hindsight is 50/50 and judging a player's talent level during a nba draft is completely subjective. How do you define a player being the most talented and the best available?

Some would say the player who was the most nba ready(Jahlil Okafor, Derrick Williams, Jabari Parker, Trey Burke, etc) and some would say the player who has the best measurement and raw athleticism(Frank Ntilikina, DedEx, MKG, Thon Maker, etc).

See? you can find busts in both of these categories. Some would still argue that we really should've drafted Giannis in 2013 but the reality is that none of us has a time machine to know that what we were looking at was the future MVP of this league.

But what we really don't need a time machine for is the basic needs of this team. i mean it doesn't take rocket science to know that this Jazz team needs some size, athleticism and defense across 1-4, which makes Herb Jones the most fitting candidate.

Had we selected Herb Jones, at least we would've gotten a chance to see what we truly have because he would've gotten ample opportunities to play. We don't know what we have with Butler. And unless we go into a full teardown next season, Butler may be gone before we could ever find out

Hindsight is 50/50?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Valanciunis fits with anybody because he has an offensive game. Adams is a great rebounder and screen setter, but he clogs the paint. That's why he's not playing for Memphis right now.

I've said this so many times - everybody has to shoot nowadays. It's just reality. Screens aren't as effective as guys who can just take their defender off the dribble.


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JV works with the current group because Herb is good enough defensively that they can be okayish on that end. The fit issues arise when/if Zion comes back. JV is not a big that can anchor a good defense… add in Zions terrible defense and they will have a hard time stopping anyone. That was the fit issue and it has not been tested at all yet. If you are keeping Zion every move has to be to build around that piece because he’s a weird player.

NOP got extremely lucky with their picks not conveying to Memphis and Portland. Now they built those protections into those picks so they get some credit but it was also just super lucky. Their moves this summer to flip two firsts and Adams/Ball to turn them into JV and Graham… we’re pretty rough. It worked out cuz it will only be moving back and a couple seconds now. I think Memphis thought Giddey was falling in the draft and he didn’t…

The deal looks a lot better now so happy to admit I was wrong there but I think the thought process wasn’t lined up with building around Zion.

 

[FrenchJazzFa]

NO looks better mostly after getting Mc Collum. But i agree that JV is better player than Adams. But Grizz probably expect to play JJJ in the future as a big ( he is way too inconsistent at shooting 3) and in this case, they may trade Adams or keep him as second unit. Depend on the price he can accept. Tha'ts also another reason why i dont see Grizz running to get a big like Rudy. JJJ is young, have to improve at rebounding ( he make some progress this year), is a great defender ( with some stupid fouls issue) and a great blocker.

 

[LoPo]

JV works with the current group because Herb is good enough defensively that they can be okayish on that end. The fit issues arise when/if Zion comes back. JV is not a big that can anchor a good defense… add in Zions terrible defense and they will have a hard time stopping anyone. That was the fit issue and it has not been tested at all yet. If you are keeping Zion every move has to be to build around that piece because he’s a weird player.

NOP got extremely lucky with their picks not conveying to Memphis and Portland. Now they built those protections into those picks so they get some credit but it was also just super lucky. Their moves this summer to flip two firsts and Adams/Ball to turn them into JV and Graham… we’re pretty rough. It worked out cuz it will only be moving back and a couple seconds now. I think Memphis thought Giddey was falling in the draft and he didn’t…

The deal looks a lot better now so happy to admit I was wrong there but I think the thought process wasn’t lined up with building around Zion.

I haven't even considered the draft picks. I haven't seen where those fall, etc.

As for JV, I think he's a much better fit for Zion because JV can actually shoot the ball. Spacing is everything, and Adams didn't space for Zion which clogged the paint. I don't think that JV is any sort of great player, but at his cost, he can cause some mismatch options and not get completely schemed out like Adams.

Note: I'm not trying to be right for any discussion with you. We all go right and wrong from time to time, and almost all of us own it.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

JV is worse than Adams for sure.

You just have one team who has an insane amount of depth and can afford to bench their starting center and another team who has poor depth and JV is their only/best option because they are playing against a dude like DeAndre Ayton.

For instance, if Utah had to go up against Adams or JV, they would always take JV. It's an easier matchup for Gobert. Pelicans will waste possessions trying to play through JV in the post, and we will welcome it.

The playoffs are all about matchups and your ability to either change depending on the matchup, or asserting your dominance and making the other team change.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

JV is shooting 42% as a center in the playoffs this year and getting wrecked on defense. Please stop trying to do some victory lap about JV lmfao.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Lol. Don has huge flaws that I have covered. I just defend him when ignorant Jazz fans go on Don bashing sessions.

Adams is a slightly better defender than Valanciunas. However, like this series, Adams can be rendered almost useless. At least Valanciunas has the offensive abilities to make KAT work on the other end and maybe even get into foul trouble. JV is also much cheaper than Adams.

I think Memphis is more of a legit contender if they had JV instead of Adams. The Pelicans are a work in progress being built on the fly, but you can see the extra dynamic JV can bring.



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lmao a whopping 2.5 million dollars more.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

It's hilarious how overrated Herb Jones has gotten.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

The bashing was primarily because of the fit with Zion… who doesn’t play basketball anymore. It ended up working out for them because of the wonky pick protections… but almost everyone thought the Lakers would avoid being a bottom 10 team. If Zion is ever healthy I’m not sure what the lineup looks like.

It worked out because the Lakers were trash and they did the McCollum trade. The McCollum trade doesnt happen and we are still looking at the Pelicans like they are a perennial lottery team.

We will see what happens with the Zion situation. They still need a lot of moves to be a good team, but they got CJ/Ingram and that's a good foundation (but already highly paid which makes it very difficult to add to)

They got a lot of money tied up in mediocre players with JV/Graham. Will the group of 2nd rounders they overly rely on actually improve next year (this doesnt always happen with overachieving types)?

But anything could happen. They could really nail the draft where they will likely draft, or maybe they move up into the top 3 and get another potential star (are they a Donovan trade destination if they move into the top 3)?

To me they have the largest variance of where they could be next year. With the right moves you could be looking at a top 5 seed, or they could miss the playoffs if they sit on their hands with Zion and dont do anything productive with their pick (either draft right or trade for another starter caliber player)

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

New Orleans would also be a good Bogdanovic trade destination if their pick stays at 9.

Bogey for Graham/Temple/8th pick.

Lets the Pelicans get off two terrible contracts (Graham is up there for worst mid-priced contract in basketball) and have Bogey, who would be a huge boost to their team in the immediate year. They would be stuck between a rock and a hard place on a decision to re-sign him after that, but they would have the option and he fits the team well.

Maybe giving up the 8th pick is too rich for them, but CJ McCollum isnt a spring chicken. That could be their window with a healthy Zion.