Trade Rumors Involving the Jazz

[416Klawzz]

We should keep Conley and deal Mitchell to Miami for a package that includes Herro. Possibly flip the other pieces we’re getting to a third team for another starter to replace Royce in the starting lineup.

I do not want Conley on this roster next year,

 

[LoPo]

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You see this trade I made in the other thread?

And I get told that I make dumb, unrealistic trade ideas.

 

[Elizah Huge]

And I get told that I make dumb, unrealistic trade ideas.

You do. You aren’t a Jazz fan you are a Mitchell fan.

 

[LoPo]

I do not want Conley on this roster next year,

The last thing we should be doing him is using an asset to dump his contract. I don't think that has to be the case, but I wanted to clarify that.

One other thing to add - I think Clarkson and Conley are redundant. If we get some amazing offer for Clarkson and we don't have one for Conley, I would be fine keeping Conley in a lesser role coming off the bench.

 

[LoPo]

You do. You aren’t a Jazz fan you are a Mitchell fan.

I've been a Jazz fan longer than maybe you have been alive. Hell, I've been a Jazz fan longer than Donovan Mitchell has been alive.

But hey, another great contribution to the thread.

 

[416Klawzz]

The last thing we should be doing him is using an asset to dump his contract. I don't think that has to be the case, but I wanted to clarify that.

One other thing to add - I think Clarkson and Conley are redundant. If we get some amazing offer for Clarkson and we don't have one for Conley, I would be fine keeping Conley in a lesser role coming off the bench.

I will try not to be biased but Clarkson is a valuable weapon for us and he loves being here

 

[Cptgrnlngs22]

I’d think about Kennard and Zubac if we traded Rudy… Kennard would quickly become the most hated JazzFanz guy… punchable face and maybe one of the least athletic guys I watched last year. Injury prone but good shooter and ball mover. Zubac is just like a super solid center but he’s cheap. Below average starter but fine stopgap until you have something more dynamic.

The Conley trade needs to be the KCP/Deni trade though… we need to take a chance on a guy that could pop. I think Deni is a natural jump in shooting away from being a super glue guy.

I would love to see Deni in a Jazz Uni.


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[KqWIN]

I like Zubac if we traded Rudy and didn’t get a center back. I’d rather have him and his contract than Capela with his deal. He’s kinda the perfect salary and player that you can bench or minimize to spend/put in a stretch big. If Kennard is healthy his salary is okay but he makes our perimeter defense worse… which is saying something.

Ironically, Kennard would improve our perimeter defense because he knows that he's bad so he can hedge and recover. He will get targeted, but he knows how to get out of it with the least amount of damage. Niang actually got good at this because he noped out of switches. Conley and Mitchell are so bad at defense they should not willingly let teams target them.

And who care's anyways? We're going to **** if trade Gobert. Let's just go full blown offense. Do some combination of the WAS/ATL fake trades and run Don with Collins and Porzingis as the frontline.

 

[LoPo]

I will try not to be biased but Clarkson is a valuable weapon for us and he loves being here

I'm with you 100%. I love Clarkson, and I'm perfectly happy keeping him in his role.

Conley is the one who should go.

 

[Cptgrnlngs22]

Think the bulls would find anything we have worth taking for Lonzo? Or am I just day dreaming hahaha


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[Handlogten's Heros]

Ironically, Kennard would improve our perimeter defense because he knows that he's bad so he can hedge and recover. He will get targeted, but he knows how to get out of it with the least amount of damage. Niang actually got good at this because he noped out of switches. Conley and Mitchell are so bad at defense they should not willingly let teams target them.

And who care's anyways? We're going to **** if trade Gobert. Let's just go full blown offense. Do some combination of the WAS/ATL fake trades and run Don with Collins and Porzingis as the frontline.

But Kennard has Mann, George, Kawhi (kind of), Batum, and Morris out there helping him. Him plus Donovan and that crew will be a layup line. Outside of an injury the thing that will hurt Donovan's trade value most is us becoming a complete and utter layup line. He is already starting to lose a little shine but might be viewed as more of a Hardenesque problem... like he sucks at defense but they still win. Becoming a layup line he starts to become more like Minnesota LaVine or Mountain Monta or more of a looter in a riot.

I know we suck on the perimeter... but believe it or not... we could get worse.

 

[LoPo]

But Kennard has Mann, George, Kawhi (kind of), Batum, and Morris out there helping him. Him plus Donovan and that crew will be a layup line. Outside of an injury the thing that will hurt Donovan's trade value most is us becoming a complete and utter layup line. He is already starting to lose a little shine but might be viewed as more of a Hardenesque problem... like he sucks at defense but they still win. Becoming a layup line he starts to become more like Minnesota LaVine or Mountain Monta or more of a looter in a riot.

I know we suck on the perimeter... but believe it or not... we could get worse.

Kennard seems like a good addition, but you're right, his defense would be a liability much like Duncan Robinson.

I want to get Bruce Brown so badly. Would the Nets value Mike Conley more than Bruce Brown?

 

[KqWIN]

But Kennard has Mann, George, Kawhi (kind of), Batum, and Morris out there helping him. Him plus Donovan and that crew will be a layup line. Outside of an injury the thing that will hurt Donovan's trade value most is us becoming a complete and utter layup line. He is already starting to lose a little shine but might be viewed as more of a Hardenesque problem... like he sucks at defense but they still win. Becoming a layup line he starts to become more like Minnesota LaVine or Mountain Monta or more of a looter in a riot.

I know we suck on the perimeter... but believe it or not... we could get worse.

I think we are especially bad because we carried this believe that Mike and Don could actually defend. Of course it helps to have better defenders behind your traffic cone, but the Jazz played zero help defense outside of Rudy. Our defense was especially bad because we truly put our guys on an island. No other playoff team does this to the extent we do. Mostly a coaching thing rather than a player thing though.

I don't think Mitchell will get any more flack for his defense than he is right now in this moment. He's facing real criticism because of the expectations this team had and the failure to meet them. I'm actually expecting a Trae Young type season out of him next year. He'll lead the league in scoring or come close to it if Conley is gone, rack up more assists outside of Quin's system, everyone already knows his defense is bad, and we'll be in the play in games. Don is fairly well established anyways, the perception of him is not going to change in a drastic way.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

And I get told that I make dumb, unrealistic trade ideas.

Again, why do you always comment on my post that dont invlove you? You that desperate for my attention when you have supposedly blocked me?

Why you lying to the people?

And yes, I preface most of my trades that I make with "This is incredibly stupid/unrealistic".

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Kennard seems like a good addition, but you're right, his defense would be a liability much like Duncan Robinson.

I want to get Bruce Brown so badly. Would the Nets value Mike Conley more than Bruce Brown?

He was out of the rotation at times. I like Brown but what he does in Brooklyn isn't how we would use him. I liked him more when he was a wing and not a small ball big. I don't think Brooklyn has a need for Mike and I don't see a trade possibility there.

 

[416Klawzz]

Think the bulls would find anything we have worth taking for Lonzo? Or am I just day dreaming hahaha


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I'm with you man, lonzo can be a stud. I dream of us being Long tall lanky squad with defenders to bully around the opposing teams

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I think we are especially bad because we carried this believe that Mike and Don could actually defend. Of course it helps to have better defenders behind your traffic cone, but the Jazz played zero help defense outside of Rudy. Our defense was especially bad because we truly put our guys on an island. No other playoff team does this to the extent we do. Mostly a coaching thing rather than a player thing though.

I don't think Mitchell will get any more flack for his defense than he is right now in this moment. He's facing real criticism because of the expectations this team had and the failure to meet them. I'm actually expecting a Trae Young type season out of him next year. He'll lead the league in scoring or come close to it if Conley is gone, rack up more assists outside of Quin's system, everyone already knows his defense is bad, and we'll be in the play in games. Don is fairly well established anyways, the perception of him is not going to change in a drastic way.

Yeah I don't know... I just watched Kennard a few times this year and he had some moments where I legit thought he looked as athletic as I would if I was on a court with NBA players. Then I imagined our unathletic team actually getting less athletic.

You may be right and Donovan may rack up more points and assists with a shooter like Kennard on the floor too... Knicks seem like ppg types.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Yeah I don't know... I just watched Kennard a few times this year and he had some moments where I legit thought he looked as athletic as I would if I was on a court with NBA players. Then I imagined our unathletic team actually getting less athletic.

You may be right and Donovan may rack up more points and assists with a shooter like Kennard on the floor too... Knicks seem like ppg types.

Donovan will be giving up more assist and points than he will be accruing them if he has to play defense next to Kennard.

Thus the conundrum of building around someone as limited as Donovan.

Oh we need good defenders next to Don so he wont be exposed by dudes like Jalen Brunson. You got to put Don on the absolute worst perimeter player who is no threat to create.

Oh they also got to be able to shoot cuz you want to play 5 out cuz the only passes Donovan can make are drive and kick.

So the Jazz got to get a bunch of really good defenders who are long and big, and they also got to shoot.

Oh I forgot, Donovan also isnt good enough to be a mega usage star like a Doncic/Harden, so you need another player with high level creation ability, but that guy can't be short and he has to be able to guard so we can stick Donovan on nobodies.

It just doesnt work.

*and yes, before the weasels respond, Gobert is also very difficult to build around, but less so IMO*

 

[Bodhi]

Donovan will be giving up more assist and points than he will be accruing them if he has to play defense next to Kennard.

Thus the conundrum of building around someone as limited as Donovan.

Oh we need good defenders next to Don so he wont be exposed by dudes like Jalen Brunson. You got to put Don on the absolute worst perimeter player who is no threat to create.

Oh they also got to be able to shoot cuz you want to play 5 out cuz the only passes Donovan can make are drive and kick.

So the Jazz got to get a bunch of really good defenders who are long and big, and they also got to shoot.

Oh I forgot, Donovan also isnt good enough to be a mega usage star like a Doncic/Harden, so you need another player with high level creation ability, but that guy can't be short and he has to be able to guard so we can stick Donovan on nobodies.

It just doesnt work.

*and yes, before the weasels respond, Gobert is also very difficult to build around, but less so IMO*

Kind of the best synopsis of Don really. This isnt hyperbole, its hard fact.

 

[LoPo]

Kind of the best synopsis of Don really. This isnt hyperbole, its hard fact.

Don didn't guard Brunson for the most part. Conley and Royce did.

Steph and Dame don't cover Doncic or Harden either.

This whole defense conversation just goes in circles.

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